Why does Wit's have a 1050 gold combine cost?

Rebonack··111 votes·4,821 views

Is there any particular reason why Wit's build isn't a Negatron and a 780 combine cost instead? The thing has base 40 magic resist.

And while we're at it, why doesn't Wit's give 42 attack speed, base magic resist, and OnHit damage?

Riot is really dropping the ball, here.

69 Comments

Dominick Destine33 votes

item 3091 2800 gold... is a garbage item.

item 3001 2350 gold. Does what Wit's End does but better and in AoE.

Drop down Wit's End's cost by 300 gold and it might become competitive.... but as it stands, it is the worst item in the game.

Rebonack20 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xQRdZx6X,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-20T20:37:31.060+0000)

item 3091 2800 gold... is a garbage item.

item 3001 2350 gold. Does what Wit's End does but better and in AoE.

Drop down Wit's End's cost by 300 gold and it might become competitive.... but as it stands, it is the worst item in the game.

If we're in wishing land, Wit's should be remade as a component item in the 1.8k range (Recurve plus Null) and then combine with either another Recurve to make Madred's or QSS to make Dervish Blade.

Ultîma16 votes

Alternatively, lower the cost of Wit's End and give it an upgrade path for added effect a la Hydra. It would certainly open up the on-hit builds even further and make Wit's End more attractive from a gold-stat efficiency standpoint.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

fucking genius

Tyaldan3 votes

wits end doesnt just remove it from them, it gives it to you too. It has its niche. Personally i use it on kogmaw cause he needs that 40% attack speed, and the extra mr is nice for squishy koggles.

Melledoneus3 votes

But consider this... who even plays AP mid laners anymore?

Kappa.

rtbf2232199601 votes

me... :O Urgot jkjk ap mids are for nerds

PaladinNO2 votes

Great! Then I'm a AP mid nerd and proud if it! xD ...actually, when I come to think of it, I'm just a nerd, full stop. And still proud of it. ^^

The Governer4 votes

If you think no one plays AP mid, you are dead wrong.

Want me to list all the currently popular AP mid laners? You don't want that if you don't want to be proven wrong.

Melledoneus5 votes

If you listen closely, you'll hear it...

WHOOSH.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

aren't like 90% of mids ap. the only ad ones I can think of that are ad are some assassins like talon, or kennen, or even a cheeky jayce. and kenen is ap too.

HI IM DAISY 831 votes

The MR steal isn't why anyone picks up wits end anymore, it is just far to expensive for that.

The only reason anyone would ever build it is for the 40% attack speed and the on hit damage. Namely devourer junglers, who use mostly absurd attack speed and on hit effects anyway.

Riot should just remove the MR steal part, while it is neat, it just makes the item far to niche and unused. Lower the gold needed to buy Wits End to 2,000 gold, and the pieces just a recurve and a negaton.

Ideally, making Wits End into a regent for another item would be the best. Perhaps make it so only champions without smite can buy it, to help out on hit laners, so that they don't have to jungle if they want an on-hit build. Think of the path being like a devourer, but for the lane. It would build off of minions and towers, along with champion kills. Kayle would love this.

rtbf2232199602 votes

W-what about Ohmwrecker?? item 3056

Undead Pho3nix2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xQRdZx6X,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-20T20:37:31.060+0000)

Drop down Wit's End's cost by 300 gold and it might become competitive.... but as it stands, it is the worst item in the game.

item 3512

Dominick Destine3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Undead Pho3nix,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xQRdZx6X,comment-id=00050004,timestamp=2016-01-21T04:04:53.527+0000)

item 3512

item 3056 is debatably better than item 3091 but it is a very close race between both of these items.

item 3512 is WAAAAAY better than item 3091 it's not even close. Zzrot is actually viable on multiple characters (Ex: Heimer)

Voluug132 votes

yeah also ZZrot is awesome for its mixed defenses, extra movement in lanes (ALL THE LANES).

junglerboy161 votes

It's my pocket pick against mixed comps and is great for stalling an enemy's pushing lane or defending nexus turrets when an inhib is down (the voidlings counterbalance the Supers nicely).

Just don't pick it against Nasus... Ever...

Erockandroll8 votes

Riot must think after the Heimer VO Update, Wit's end no longer needed to be a referense to Hitchhickers. (Like we don't already know their nerds.)

Over all, Wit's probably got nerfed for two reasons, one Kog getting the Double AS, (Like he hasn't already been compensated for that fact) And Devourer, which people just kept complaining about. (and yet, Rageblade fills that void way too well.)

YumaS2Astral1 votes

{quoted}

Riot must think after the Heimer VO Update, Wit's end no longer needed to be a referense to Hitchhickers. (Like we don't already know their nerds.)

Over all, Wit's probably got nerfed for two reasons, one Kog getting the Double AS, (Like he hasn't already been compensated for that fact) And Devourer, which people just kept complaining about. (and yet, Rageblade fills that void way too well.)

I've never seen people using Devourer + Wit's End on anyone except Warwick

elon wątroba1 votes

I have build it on XinZhao and Nocturne it was working onShyvana too

poppyisbestgirl1 votes

Never forget TF jungle.TwistedFate

MrWasjig1 votes

Problem with Riot's balance team? They're so hamhanded about how they appraoch balance. "OH Wit's is too strong, nerf it"

"Rageblade is barley used, buff and tweak it" A few weeks have passed and with only a price increase in terms of any sort of nerf, Rageblade is still stupid in terms of how powerful it is. Next thing you know they'll nerf Jax because he's too good with it....then nerf Rageblade a la Sejuani/Cinderhulk. I'm putting money down right now, that'll be the case!

Rebonack7 votes

I'm aware, thank you.

Switch over to chronological view rather than Reddit-knockoff and suddenly it will all make sense.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Can't you use any one of the various ways to send a goddamn notification to the person you're replying to?

Rebonack4 votes

I had wondered myself if Bork and Wits were nerfed in part because of Kog.

Seems like a silly knee-jerk reaction considering that he's objectively the worst ADC in the game.

No, Urgot doesn't count. He's a potato, not an ADC.

MrWasjig1 votes

Seems like a silly knee-jerk reaction

This sums up how Riot's balance team go about balance changes.

WolfBV1 votes

{quoted}

No, Urgot doesn't count. He's a potato, not an ADC.

A sexy potato

FistOfSharkiesha4 votes

Wit's is 100% surpassed by rageblade atm. Even champions with no AP ratios prefer rageblade. It's also more situational in that it is only useful vs AP heavy teams. WW doesn't even want this piece of shit because he takes devourer and either botrk or rageblade then builds tanky. There's no room on any champion for wit's end.

RyzeRework1 votes

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Wit's is 100% surpassed by rageblade atm. Even champions with no AP ratios prefer rageblade. It's also more situational in that it is only useful vs AP heavy teams. WW doesn't even want this piece of shit because he takes devourer and either botrk or rageblade then builds tanky. There's no room on any champion for wit's end.

Nah witts end nashor and rags blade onwWarwick

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Then he just explodes if he doesn't have defensive stuff.

RyzeRework1 votes

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Then he just explodes if he doesn't have defensive stuff.

Lol one time I did this build I had sated rageblade nashors and witts end cause I was so fed I would ult somone and they would die because of all the on hit effects it just destroys somone but its not a good build :p

Bârd4 votes

Get this page to 42 upvotes boys

Wimbledofy1 votes

does this mean i have to downvote?

WoonStruck3 votes

Riot doesn't know how to balance their game anymore. That's your answer.

Olath Quortek3 votes

The death of a reference like this is so very sad... D:

FantasySniper2 votes

item 3075 with its 100% unnecessary 1250 combine cost.

Tis a nice day1 votes

Yet people still buy it.

Fleabath1 votes

writs is a good item for a magic resist / attack speed teemo build

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

the item sux really. its only good early and its never the first item you should buy. i have no idea why would anyone buy wits end over maws. who buys it? teemo? nashors is a much better choice on teemo

Saphixia1 votes

My main, Warwick, says hi

Dehorn1 votes

as a Teemo player, please buff item 3091. its only a 20% damage increase atm and its perfect when i face ap tops. completely removing 25 mr and then having item 1310 item 3151 item 3135 uuugggghhhhh its almost true damage.

KrugLyfe1 votes

Sigh sounds like another AP champ player who likes to complain when they get shafted by ADs

WutsKraken1 votes

Then you realize Wit's End doesn't give any AP at all and that it gives MAGIC RESIST, completely worthless vs AD's

Rebonack1 votes

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Then you realize Wit's End doesn't give any AP at all and that it gives MAGIC RESIST, completely worthless vs AD's

Not that great on AD champions, good on champions who auto-attack a lot and like OnHit effects. There are a fair number of champions it should be good on, but it isn't due to what it offers for its price. Back when it was a 2k gold item that gave 42 onhit damage, attack speed, and 50 MR when fully stacked (lacked the MR steal) it was pretty solid for its price.

If Riot reeled it back to that level and gave it some upgrade paths, I suspect it would be much more attractive.

WutsKraken1 votes

You're not wrong but my post was targeted at boss8954 regarding how Wit's End is useless AGAINST AD's as an AP champion

RyzeRework1 votes

{quoted}

Then you realize Wit's End doesn't give any AP at all and that it gives MAGIC RESIST, completely worthless vs AD's

That's not true it steals 25 magic resist so it sherds thier mr making you do more dmanage

Gregor Gysi1 votes

Why don't we just create a second Rageblade?

Rebonack1 votes

In a perfect world, I would want to see an OnHit item that builds into several more such items. Something akin to...

item 1043 +item 1028 = Malady. Gives IAS, HP, and OnHit magic damage.

Malady, in turn, would combine with another Recurve and a big defensive item to make several more items. Such as...

Malady + item 1043 + item 1057 = Wit's End (steals 5% or 5 flat MR, whichever is greater) Malady + item 1043 + item 3082 = Fae Bane (steals 15% of the targets base attack speed OnHit) Malady + item 1043 + item 3140 = Dervish Blade (has the QSS active) Malady + item 1043 + item 1031 = Madred's Bloodrazor (steals some percentage of the target's max HP as magic damage) Malady + item 1043 + item 1011 = Ionic Spark (Every fourth attack releases a chain lightning that applies OnHits to secondary targets)

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