= 200
= 250
= 425
You gotta stop doing this, Riot. You had the right idea with Hurricane by changing the build path. If you don't want something to have particular stats, then make it build out of something else. This stuff isn't hard.
Linna Excel83 votesRito math is good job, awesome!
SweedishGunner62 votesHow does something like that get past a company that makes billions of dollars? ._.
koshkyra24 votesHow does something like that get past a company that makes billions of dollars? ._.
Zhonyas build could give like 110 AP and zhonyas itself only gave 70 before they changed the build path a few months ago.
Funkin Dunkin1 votesDidn't Zhonas used to be 100 AP?
Mhihnj22 votesmaybe if health was calculated in dollars.....Riot could count it like they count their money.
ÂFRÏCÂN GØD5 voteslmao damn
Elikain14 votesJesus Christ, dude... It's a smallest mistake that can be overlooked easily. It's not a cause for concern and no forest fires need to be put out because oh lord, you're missing 25 HP in your build by upgrading from Spirit Visage's components to the full item.
Yes, this needs to be addressed. But what's your comparison supposed to mean here? I see no correlation between Riot being a "multibillion" dollar company and this.
LordGeovanni9 votesHuman error right. Dont mind that it has to pass the balance and play test teams in every region at id thing that is at least 25 people for the 3 regions in thinking of if their team numbers arent a only 2-3 people per team per region. Never make a mistake with marksmen items though only intentional overbuffs there.
Serophous1 votesHow did players on the pbe miss it too?
Jesus is Savior6 votesHow did players on the pbe miss it too?
Sometimes they don't miss it. Sometimes they point it out and Rito ignores them and pushes it live anyway cuz they gotta make dem deadlines.
Chromatic Eagle9 votesYou'd be surprised at what slips past people who code constantly.
The Lost Marbles29 votesI mean, it's only 25 HP, so it's not like it's a huge oversight.
Plus, Visage literally gives you +290% HP5, so the effective durability it grants is significantly higher anyway.
(It would still be nice if the HP was evened out, though.)
(Also, as an aside, finishing Sterak's while your base AD is below 83 actually lowers your AD, but this is usually not relevant for the intended users.)
AirKingNeo28 votes25 HP is still a good amount of HP.
Aatrox would kill for that.
ModAcademy Kayn16 votesLet's be honest, Aatrox would kill anything.
Big Lincoln6 voteseven this adorable puppy?
https://68.media.tumblr.com/2a8bd0b7dd4174b8414fcccfd05deaae/tumblr_inline_omlabjho1t1s5iwn5_540.png
Doctor Jarvis3 votesESPECIALLY that adorable puppy. Dude's a maniac.
Euthenaasia4 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wrHYwg04,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T13:38:22.342+0000)
even this adorable puppy?
https://68.media.tumblr.com/2a8bd0b7dd4174b8414fcccfd05deaae/tumblr_inline_omlabjho1t1s5iwn5_540.png
I really enjoyed this.
INoble KnightI54 votesAatrox would kill for a lot of things to be honest. Hell it's scary to think what he'd do for a Klondike bar.
AlienPrimate10 votesSo that's why he killed Tryndamere's tribe.
FantasySniper10 votesNo, that was just a Tuesday.
Xilixer4 votesdat street fighter reference
Neamean4 votesHe'll be hellbent for a Klondike Bar.
Tundra Hunter12 votes"Fuck logic"
Tundra Hunter6 votesWhy do I get downvoted? lol the item having less HP than it's components, it does not make sense... What's wrong with saying it?
DiebusterFan4 votesBecause fuck logic?
ModCaptainMårvelous11 votesI actually think stuff like this is good.
Items shouldn't be about efficiency but how valuable the active/effect is. It makes the game better and it removes some of the snowball potential of merely getting items. New GA is also the same; technically gold inefficient but the revive slot is what the meat is about.
Baron of Bread49 votesThe new GA doesn't give you worse stats for combining it. The fact that I spend gold to lose HP is pretty bogus.
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votesthat was the old madred's though. i recall it being 
and the old jungle razor which did give some AD, but the final item only had 25 AD equivalent of just the alone. The AD drop was justified by the 4% max hp damage it did, which sort of made sense I guess, but SV passive isn't even that great to warrant a stat drop.
Sire Hippington4 votesAt some point it actually gave less ad than it's components, though later it was buffed to 40ad so it would match it's components.
macromite1 votesgonna be real with you, tanks never bought spirit for its affect. they got it becuase it was the most efecient magic resist item.
ModCaptainMårvelous1 votesWhich IMO is fucking stupid. You should buy items to fit the situation. Not "I'm buying this because it's the most bang for buck". Especially in a strategy game.
Professor Ward3 votesWhich IMO is fucking stupid. You should buy items to fit the situation. Not "I'm buying this because it's the most bang for buck". Especially in a strategy game.
its not stupid if the item is the best bang for your buck and the best for the situation at the same time.
ModCaptainMårvelous1 votesRead:
gonna be real with you, tanks never bought spirit** for its affect.** they got it becuase it was the most efecient magic resist item.
If it's the best for the situation? Good, go for it. Buying the item simply because it's the best is awful design. (And Riot STILL has this problem with stuff like Deadman's plate)
JSTIN82 votesTo be fair, tanks like move speed items a lot (Hi naut). Dead mans is a far cry from a generic stat pickup like SV
macromite3 votesit would be less of an issue of the other mr items weren't all memes.
MrHaZeYo10 votesThat is kinda weird.
Oksanaandjoy7 votesNot to mention Nomad's Medallion 
: 
+ 
= 25% health regen. Huh?
LankPants4 votesIn this case I'd just say you should bump SV by 25 HP. It's probably the worst of the MR/HP items ATM anyway and it sets itself apart with a higher HP value, so it seems like this wouldn't be a terrible solution. If you need to boost the price by a potion or so to do this, who really cares?
Krinu5 votesYeah, just throwing +25HP on it is really the simplest solution.
DuskDaUmbreon7 votesIt's probably the worst of the MR/HP items ATM anyway.
There are two now three of those in SR: , 
, and 
. Spirit visage gives over double the health, and the average MR. It also has, you know, it's universal healing boost. It's not bought for HP, it's bought for imperial shittons of regen. Yes, imperial shittons. We've gone past metric shittons.
The Lost Marbles1 votesWhat would you change the build path to? Just curious.
Espy Psyche6 votes[{quoted}](name=The Lost Marbles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wrHYwg04,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-04T01:28:12.840+0000)
What would you change the build path to? Just curious.
Just build from the Ruby Crystal and not the Kindlegem. That's -50 HP from the item, so the component HP is 400 and the item HP is 425. And since CDR isn't a basic stat anyway, losing the Kindlegem's CDR doesn't matter since that stat is always added in combines.
OtterlyLost2 votes[{quoted}](name=Espy Psyche,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wrHYwg04,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-05-04T01:52:12.042+0000)
Just build from the Ruby Crystal and not the Kindlegem. That's -50 HP from the item, so the component HP is 400 and the item HP is 425. And since CDR isn't a basic stat anyway, losing the Kindlegem's CDR doesn't matter since that stat is always added in combines.
The CDR does matter though. A lot of tanks value the CDR on Spirit; tank items are pretty limiting in the CDR area as is. If the CDR was gone from Visage, I think the only true tank item left with CDR would be Frozen Heart and Warmogs. I don't really consider Iceborn Gauntlet a "tank" item; its a bruiser item. They could just lower how much health Specter's Cowl gives instead.
Magearna1 votesThat's not what he was saying. He's saying make the recipe Cowl + Ruby so there isn't any HP discrepancy and have the end result Spirit Visage just be what it is now.
OtterlyLost1 votesThat's not what he was saying. He's saying make the recipe Cowl + Ruby so there isn't any HP discrepancy and have the end result Spirit Visage just be what it is now.
Where would it get the CDR if you changed it to Ruby? He's saying remove the CDR entirely.
Need Gold 4 Tent4 votesCDR isn't a basic stat, like he said, it already appears as the "bonus" for completing the item with the combine cost. The same concept happens with 
, which only has 10% from but magically gets 20% when it's complete.
Rebonack19 votes[{quoted}](name=The Lost Marbles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wrHYwg04,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-04T01:28:12.840+0000)
What would you change the build path to? Just curious.
I would increase the price of the combine by 50 gold and give it 25 more HP.
