Keystone advice?

Baunjo·3/30/2016, 8:00:00 PM·1 votes·787 views

Honestly, I have never found a champion that I play consistently that actually benefits more from say deathfire touch over TLD. What are some champs that are overwhelmingly better with Deathfire touch?

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Merxamers3/30/2016, 8:04:10 PM2 votes

Grasp of the undying is great for a lot of top laners, especially the ones that build tanky and don't have much sustain. For example, it's great on pure tanks like Nautilus and Sion, and it's very useful on some juggernauts like Darius.

Basically, TLD is great for champions that rely on burst or have one ability that procs it on its own (why this is allowed to happen i have no idea), while GotUndying is great on champions with high health pools or rely on extended trades.

Chaos Milk Tea3/30/2016, 8:05:55 PM1 votes

Some yasuos can abuse grasp of the undying as they have weird interactions between their Q and auto attacks.

Axests3/30/2016, 8:14:21 PM1 votes

gangplank can also proc grasp with his q, making his lane trading a terror

Mirage Seraph3/30/2016, 8:27:08 PM1 votes

Malzahar Brand Anivia Teemo RumbleSwain Singed though I prefer Stormraider's

Just off the top of my head.

Frightning3/30/2016, 8:38:53 PM1 votes

Long story short: Grasp of the Undying is better for juggernauts and other champions that build tons of health and rely on their tankiness to win fights more so than damage output. Thunderlord's Decree is better on champions that can get multiple hits on a target quickly and build damage (AD/AP or both) (Assassins, Mages, other caster-type champs). What I find interesting is that TLD is super-duper popular while not really being ideal on many of the champs I see it used on. Seems like a ton of people are undervaluing some of the other keystones.

Here are my thoughts on Keystones: Ferocity: -Warlord's Bloodlust: Super great on champs with high AA DPS, especially if they are strong low-health duelists. Examples: Tryndamere, AA focused marksmen, Yasuo -Fervor of Battle: Great on champions that itemize or already have high AS (relatively niche pick overall). Examples: Irelia, Aatrox, Teemo -Deathfire Touch: Great for poke champions that want to run 18 in Ferocity (so % pen over flat of Cunning). Examples: Ziggs, Lux, artillery mages, other mages Cunning: -Stormraider's Surge: Imo hugely underrated, amazing on high burst dive champs, such as assassins. Examples: Rengar, Katarina, Zed -Thunderlord's Decree: Imo hugely overrated, good alternative to DfT (can get flat pen instead). Examples: Annie, LeBlanc, Brand -Windspeaker's Blessing: Great on healing/shield supports (especially if they are ranged). Examples: Soraka, Janna, Sona Resolve: -Grasp of the Undying: Good on champs that build lots of health and are good duelists, especially if they are good low-health duelists. Examples: Aatrox, Tryndamere, Irelia -Strength of Ages: Amazing for tanky champs, 300 free health is two Ruby Crystals (800g worth), easier to farm up as a jungler than a laner but even as a laner can have it maxed by 20mins if you last hit the cannon creeps well (or your ADC does if you're playing sup). Examples: Many tanks, juggernauts, and fighters -Bond of Stone: Good on support tanks, can end up saving your ADCs life in a close duel in bot lane. Examples: Leona, Taric, Braum

Imo, Strength of Ages is probably the most powerful of all the keystones, and Stormraider's Surge is the most underrated (I barely see anyone running it and I really don't understand why, that much MS, with how easy it is to proc it on the right champs is AMAZING).

Truly Prideful3/30/2016, 8:41:12 PM1 votes

I like DFT on both Jhin and Teemo. Most champions I use something else though, either Grasp / TLD / Fervor.