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Are bronze always wrong?

Baunjo··42 votes·3,561 views

Due to both my computer breaking and getting caught up with school I have been able to play this game but every few weeks. However, I still enjoy going on boards, seeing what champions are going in and out of favor, changes, etc. And almost every time I give an opinion on a matter, it is " proven wrong " judging by the fact that I am currently in bronze.

This has been a pinnacle issue in this game since I have played the last 4 years. If you are in an argument with a low ELO player, bring it upon yourself to try and explain things and help people out. This community would be much better if the people who were considered top tier players would actually give solid advice, rather than saying " Ok here is why you are wrong. 1 you are bronze. 2 you have not gotten out of bronze. 3 you are in bronze. 4 did I mention you are in bronze? "

But that's just my opinion.

Good luck out there summoners!

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Icestar118613 votes

Bronze players are not always wrong. A lot of the time, they're right.

Unless it's a Riven QQ thread. ; )

Icestar11865 votes

Come on. I thought since I'm Bronze, I was allowed to say it...

Ralanr2 votes

You get an upvote because you made me laugh.

On the inside.

SEKAI11 votes

Are bronze always wrong?

Correction:

Bronze are more likely to be wrong. That is all.

Actually xPeke2 votes

You worded it correct - Bronze people won't be wrong because they are "bad". If they wrong it will be because lack of experience. nothing more

Baunjo1 votes

That is completely and totally false. I am bronze, I have played in plat and diamond for months straight and have played for 4 years. So you are telling me I lack experience? I am saying that people use a medal as reasoning. rather than taking the time to actually think about what the person is getting at. You cannot base experience off of bronze, and people try and do that way too much.

Actually xPeke1 votes

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That is completely and totally false. I am bronze, I have played in plat and diamond for months straight and have played for 4 years. So you are telling me I lack experience? I am saying that people use a medal as reasoning. rather than taking the time to actually think about what the person is getting at. You cannot base experience off of bronze, and people try and do that way too much.

No, i never said bronze people will "always" be wrong, what i meant is IF they are wrong - it won't be because they are in bronze or that they are bad, most of the times if they are wrong it will be due lack of experience

Example being low elo people complaining about Katarina, because they lack experience to shut her down or counter her

WolfChases7 votes

Ofc they aren't always wrong lol. There are 2 parts of the game knowledge:

  • Understanding how this game works.
  • Mechanical posibilities of a player who plays the game.

There are Bronzes that are mechanically fine but they don't understand the game so they are making bad decisions and in the other hand, you can understand the game, but you can't perform mechanically or you can, but a bit slower than someone who climbs faster. Thad doesn't means you are defected or anythig, but you know...some people simply can't adapt.

I played PvP in World of Warcraft for straight 7 years and my max 2v2 arena rate was 2300 while my friend who played PvP for 4 years managed to achieve 2800 in 2v2 and amost 3900 in 5v5.

Bemapon2 votes

This exactly. I have a friend who until recently was in bronze and they knew more about the game than I (A gold 3) did.

They knew the theory of what should be done and what champions are good in what situations much better than I did. The difference was I was better at decision making in game and mechanics.

WolfChases4 votes

Exactly, that's what I am talking about. That's why I hate when someone downvotes a Bronzie when they say something about this game. Being stuck in Bronze doesn't mean that you are automatically stupid little kid with below average IQ.

EDIT: Ofc, all of that doesn't mean that there aren't players who are simply bad at everything.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

I really don't think you need to be that mechanically skilled to get out of low elo into like Gold or Plat, as most champions don't require much mechanical skill

WolfChases1 votes

Of course, to be honest, anyone can get to low Platinum only by grinding but that requires a lot of time and patience, if not Platinum, than at least Gold for sure.

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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Ofc they aren't always wrong lol. There are 2 parts of the game knowledge:

  • Understanding how this game works.
  • Mechanical posibilities of a player who plays the game.

There are Bronzes that are mechanically fine but they don't understand the game so they are making bad decisions and in the other hand, you can understand the game, but you can't perform mechanically or you can, but a bit slower than someone who climbs faster. Thad doesn't means you are defected or anythig, but you know...some people simply can't adapt.

I played PvP in World of Warcraft for straight 7 years and my max 2v2 arena rate was 2300 while my friend who played PvP for 4 years managed to achieve 2800 in 2v2 and amost 3900 in 5v5.

Bronze is really bad though. Honestly if you either have good mechanics or good understanding of the game, you shouldn't be Bronze even if the other part is lacking. I have very few friends that are Bronze, but all of them have no understanding of the game AND poor mechanics.

There are people who get to plat and diamond by strong decision-making alone.

(disclaimer: I'm not into the Bronze = wrong BS, but still, if you either have good mechanics or you understand the game, you're not Bronze)

OmniMoto4 votes

This is me, I have terrible mechanical skills and I know absolutely NOTHING about how to carry a game, what I should do when fed, etc, but when watching other people play, I can pretty much call out exactly what they are going to do, I just can't put that into my own games. I have made, (what I would think to be) intelligent comments on the boards, and have gotten called out for being bronze. I don't view it as a bad thing that people don't respect bronze players or statements, its most certainly not a good thing though, I do understand their point of view, as I don't believe I am truly knowledgeable of this game to make a valid argument against most things. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

gubigubi3 votes

There are so so many players that are top tier that have given out free advice whether that be on the forums, youtube, twitch, reddit, various guide sites. The information you seek is out there you just have to look for it.

Long ago when I was bronze I wanted to get better. So I looked up a guide and learned all of the match ups I could and then played many many games.

So your question is are bronze always wrong? No they are not always wrong. But the majority of the time the advice of a higher ranked player is better. Would you rather take medical advice from someone who is in college to become a doctor? Or someone who has been a doctor for 10 years. It is not just in league most of the time people with more experience have better knowledge of what they are talking about.

Baunjo1 votes

your analogy is very wrong. Training to be a doctor and having been a doctor is silly, by your argument I would be considered part of the " in college " group, despite having played for 4 years

gubigubi1 votes

You would be in the "college" group because there is still a lot about league that you need to learn. This is why if I look at a guide for something I would look at a diamond+ players guide most of the time. Because they have "Graduated" to a higher division and proven that they have the game knowledge that I am looking for.

Does this mean bronze players are always wrong. No it does not. But it does mean that in a lot of situations the higher ranked player will know what they are talking about. Clearly not in the example of "Oh your bronze and I'm not so I know better." those people are just ass holes on a power trip.

Baunjo1 votes

College group my ass, how long have you played this game?

Yxgl222HaX2 votes

Well generally speaking most elo players don't know as much as higher elo players... BUT there are exceptions. Some people have a lot of game knowlage but are just bad mechanically , or have terrible hardware and lag to much to have a steady win rate. Sometimes a mix of both can cause some pretty brutal tilts. Myself for example, I'm silver 5, and with slightly higher than silver over all mechanics and much higher game knowlage and macro play but the toaster of a laptop I'm on makes it almost impossible to play ranked without getting a new comp first. It's not unusual for me to play with 250 ish ping and random fps drops to 10 or so in the middle of a fight. On a good day ill climb a rank or two only to lose it the next day due to trying to go again and then lagging like crazy so I kinda gave up on ranked till I get a new comp. But that does not mean I don't know how the game works. I read the patch notes, I watch the lcs I look up things on my champions I play such as how to do things, macro decisions about when to be where, such as when is the best time to split push and when should I choose grouping over splitting ect. (Shout out to REDMERCY for teaching me some tricks on my main that ive used fairly effectively). But the point being, its true that low elo players might know what their talking about, but the chances of that are just a lot lower. In my own devision I get people placed there after provisionals sometimes off pure luck provisionals (he was a friend of mine just hit level 30 and ended up dropping to bronze 5 within a week) that are new players and shouldn't be higher than bronze, or players who bought their accounts that where plat/gold accounts and have to redo their promos for the new season on it and place high silver due to soft resets even though they SHOULD be in bronze. You see that a lot in silver 3-1. A 0/14/1 ryze with 100 ish total norms that was previously plat lost me my promo to s1 before I went on tilt ... he lost to a gold 5 rengar. No former plat ryze main looses to a gold 5 rengar top lol. That was definatly a smurf account that someone bought. Because no one realisticly gets into plat after only 100 games unless its a smurf from a diamond+ player. And a diamond player sure wouldent lose that badly. I mostly listen to players I can tell are expirenced. Like myself I have about 1.5k norms won and over 2.5k total counting aram/dominion and the "seasonal" game modes and about 600 total ranked. So if I see a player with an opinion who has more than 1k played ill consider their opinion. 400 and under I don't bother with lul. Damn this came out longer than inded holy fk no ones going to read this lmao. Wellll sense no ones reading this here have some teemo nipples.Teemo Teemo Teemo

Chrogo2 votes

Bronze players aren't always wrong... but there's no denying they make a lot of wrong decisions and plays. Otherwise they wouldn't be bronze for very long.

You can't be a good player who is right most of the time and be stuck in Bronze. I mean I have never even seen bronze level of play, but I see plenty of Silver level of play and it's so bad I question how anyone could be worse while also actively being right about many things relating to the game.

Depóngo2 votes

An argument is the same no matter the player/person.

I'm Gold and I notice when a pro makes a mistake I probably wouldn't do, yet they are way better than me and don't make the majority of mistakes I do. If you think your higher division friend made a mistake, then point that out or ask "shouldn't/shouldven't you do/done X instead of Y?" whenever you feel like it. That way you can both learn something new.

I see Bronze players as just players with a huge room for improvement. Not as someone who can't do anything right. Different Bronze players are good at different things, but they all lack at many. There are Bronze players out there who outclass me at, for example, my worst strenght and/or my worst role.

After all, I was Bronze 5 once. Helping a Bronzie is not so hard and I'd love to do it if I one day have the opportunity.

Stars Shaper2 votes

Honestly, division and league are a pure form of luck.

I think that even unrankeds can have a good vision of the game and balance and if some1 starts "countering" your arguments just saying "hey I'm higher elo so shut up I know better" then they are just lacking actual arguments.

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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Honestly, division and league are a pure form of luck.

I think that even unrankeds can have a good vision fo the game and balance and if some1 starts "countering" your arguments just syaing "hey I'm higher elo so shut up I know better" then they are just lacking actual arguments.

yea and high elo players constantly get similar ranks on 5 smurfs because they constantly get lucky

Stars Shaper2 votes

Considering the common knowledge shown by dia players on the boards and in aram when I meet them... yes, they are mostly the same bunch of ppl you meet in B5.

Silents4291 votes

Upvoted because partially right, Ranked is grinding and luck mostly, not to say some skill isn't involved but solo queue relies heavily on having a decent team and a bad enemy team (The luck) it also requires you to play a ton of games to get up in ranks. If it was purely skill it wouldn't take so many games to rise in ranked.

You can have a challenger skilled player on the enemy team, but if his team is a bunch of brain dead morons feeding, then 1 AFK's in a fit of rage, then he isn't winning or losing because skill.

And finally Gameplay Experience =/= Gameplay Balance.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Lugg2 votes

If someone's response to you is "You're Bronze and don't know anything", that just means you won the discussion because they don't have a real response to counter you.

Baby sitting ADC1 votes

Oh so like when I argue with a 'gold' player and they can't say anything about the fact when you're being harrassed in a normal game by them to..Let me quote, "If I wanted someone to be rude to me I'd ask for it and last time I checked I didn't ask for it." And then they keep making excuses how I'm bronze.

Myz1 votes

Bronze don,t understand how the game work, so yeah they're always wrong. If you can't even get into silver which is still very bad & easy to get above 15 KDA, how are you going to understand the game ?

AthenasVendetta18 votes

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Bronze don,t understand how the game work, so yeah they're always wrong. If you can't even get into silver which is still very bad & easy to get above 15 KDA, how are you going to understand the game ?

You are in a 5v5 bronze 1 team solo queue rank of Gold 1. And you don't even have a 15 kda on average and you best kda champ is wukong... A single play can carry the ever living carp out of a game insist on group and finishing but regardless you have people that are unwilling or don't know better. So it does not matter if I jungled and pushed our team to a 7k+ lead when the Shri and temp keep getting caught over extending and not using advantages or losing them.

I can guarantee there is others besides me that can match your skills and decision making as a bronze player even if you are "gold"

Myz1 votes

Never played on that bronze team, my being in it doesn't mean I play in it. I was diamond s3 & quit s4, just started playing again & I'm already gold 1 with below 100 games. Sorry I'm above top 20% & you're in the bottom average, get better at the game instead of blaming your team. And I said you can get 15 KDA in SILVER. People in upper gold know the game fairly well by that point, sorry my friend, you sound a little salty ?

Also would like to add that I played on bronze accounts before & lost 1 game out of 10 average. If you're losing, stop blaming the team & look at yourself. You're one of the reason bronze player are badly regarded, admitting you have a problem is the first step to fixing it ( problem in this instance is you being bad at league of legends ).

WolfChases27 votes

Oh you da man reaching Gold 1 with below 100 games played so you are cocky enough to insult someone for being in Bronze?

What if I tell you that I skipped Bronze and Silver last season, got placed in Gold 4 immediately and managed to climb to platinum 4 or 5 (can't remember) in just a few weeks? So comparing to you I am a God damn Faker and I should claim that anyone below Gold knows nothing about this game?

Disappear and leave us alone, there's no place for Gold elo high EGO creatures here.

Sincerely,

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Gregor Gysi2 votes

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You are in a 5v5 bronze 1 team solo queue rank of Gold 1. And you don't even have a 15 kda on average and you best kda champ is wukong... A single play can carry the ever living carp out of a game insist on group and finishing but regardless you have people that are unwilling or don't know better. So it does not matter if I jungled and pushed our team to a 7k+ lead when the Shri and temp keep getting caught over extending and not using advantages or losing them.

So while I do disagree with 'Ebay Account', did you really blame your teams right there? If you really think that the reason why you are (whatever the rank you are, I didn't check) then you really don't understand the game.

I can guarantee there is others besides me that can match your skills and decision making as a bronze player even if you are "gold"

So basically you are saying 'my team is holding me down but in reality I'm better than gold'? Goddamn, yes bronze players are not always wrong. It's entirely possible that a bronze player is right and a diamond player wrong. However, it's not very likely. But in the end it's very very very very very very unlikely that someone who deserves platin gets bronze. You are worse than pretty much every gold player (except for boosted ones ofc). But that's not a big deal. You could still be right regarding a certain matter. Yet that doesn't make you as good or even better.

AthenasVendetta1 votes

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So while I do disagree with 'Ebay Account', did you really blame your teams right there? If you really think that the reason why you are (whatever the rank you are, I didn't check) then you really don't understand the game.

So basically you are saying 'my team is holding me down but in reality I'm better than gold'? Goddamn, yes bronze players are not always wrong. It's entirely possible that a bronze player is right and a diamond player wrong. However, it's not very likely. But in the end it's very very very very very very unlikely that someone who deserves platin gets bronze. You are worse than pretty much every gold player (except for boosted ones ofc). But that's not a big deal. You could still be right regarding a certain matter. Yet that doesn't make you as good or even better.

No, I didn't I technically blamed two players.. My Bottom lane did fine(sorta snowballed) after we got a double kill at level six for one flash, and two ults. where-as their opponents blew all four of their summoners... The reason I am don't here is because I hardly care enough anymore to climb past a mire of players that don't understand how to use small advantages to snowball a game.

A single player regardless of their "skill" level is at a massive disadvantage when trying to carry inexperienced or learning player to win a game or objectives. A team that works together has a much higher chance of winning than one where two players ignore pings, and requests and does whatever they want even if it ends in them losing the baron buff.

one player can be dragged down by a team, three or two players can ruin a game objectively. You wouldn't expect a high elo player to died getting caught out even if they have a baron and we've seen the effects of that in multi-national loleSports. The Same things apply to every rank...

It like assuming that a Red Fuji Apple is better than that of a Green Apple... Or that a regular size banana is better than a mini banana.

To assume every player that has less of a rank than you is nothing more than a egotistical thinking that ultimately leads to narcissism. You are however right, there are players that I probably never will compare to. However it doesn't mean I cannot strive to say: Let's see how many free towers I can force? Maybe I can get him to this side initiate a favorable trade with the help of my minions? Lets see if I can maintain a 90cs at 10 minutes? Lets see if I can try to place more wards on the map than anyone else.

The question that really should be asked is the ranking system perfect? If not. Is it at all possible players are subjected to behavior and playstyles that do not entirely fit them? If so. How do we fix them? I have seen gold players, platinum, diamond, and even scrimmed against a diamond lee sin player. Does this mean it was easy? No, it just means I have see the ranks at play, and I am not impressed by the majority of gold players and some platinum players....

For riot the question isn't even along the same lines: It is how do we recognize better players that do not belong in certain ranks? And how do we recognize fall high elo players that don't belong there? And what do we do?

The Answer for that is supposedly they are working on a new ranking system for the next season. However there could still be flaws in that system... So how do we find that player?

WolfChases3 votes

Because of people like you, there's no hope for LoL community.

Myz1 votes

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Because of people like you, there's no hope for LoL community.

I said I just came back after 2 year hiatus ... placed diamond s4 and stopped playing, decayed to plat III before end of season. And you're lying, you didn't rank anything in any previous seasons on this account of yours. How am I insulting anyone ? I'm bad at soccer / football ( call it how you want depending on your region ) & when someone say '' Yo Daniel, you're bad at soccer bro '' I'm not offended, because I know I'm bad & I seek advice & look at my performances to see how I can improve them ;)

WolfChases1 votes

I didn't rank anything on previous season? How comes that I have Platinum Border atm? And how the hell do I have Platinum icon as my summoner icon on my acc if I wasn't platinum in season 4?

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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I didn't rank anything on previous season? How comes that I have Platinum Border atm? And how the hell do I have Platinum icon as my summoner icon on my acc if I wasn't platinum in season 4?

i was gonna say ranked team but it's the solo icon

WolfChases1 votes

I do not play ranked team. Actually I have tried it but we simply could not gather somehow, It was hard to find all 5 players online in the same time since we were from the different countries tho.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

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Bronze don,t understand how the game work, so yeah they're always wrong. If you can't even get into silver which is still very bad & easy to get above 15 KDA, how are you going to understand the game ?

It's really funny that this post is getting downvoted but yet everyone downvotes my threads just because I'm bronze and nothing else so they are actually agreeing with your post in action

TouchpadExpert3 votes

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It's really funny that this post is getting downvoted but yet everyone downvotes my threads just because I'm bronze and nothing else so they are actually agreeing with your post in action

You get downvoted because you're focused on your KDA and individual statistics rather than more important things: Objectives. You get a triple kill and like a bronzie you're thinking about getting a penta kill. A smarter player would get a triple kill and would instead see three less obstacles between them and taking that tower. Kills are nice but they do NOT directly relate to wins. Objectives do. If you would see this people might respect your opinion more.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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You get a triple kill and like a bronzie you're thinking about getting a penta kill. A smarter player would get a triple kill and would instead see three less obstacles between them and taking that tower.

I don't know a person who would get a quadra and not think about the penta. Even a LCS pro would

Angry Monster1 votes

wrong. Those that chase in the LCS get punished.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

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wrong. Those that chase in the LCS get punished.

"I got a quadra kill. sweet" "are you gonna get that penta?" "nah. i don't like chasing" "wtf"

Taric the Gay1 votes

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"I got a quadra kill. sweet" "are you gonna get that penta?" "nah. i don't like chasing" "wtf"

You are nothing more than glass waiting to be smashed.

Yormaughm1 votes

Straight answer to your question is no, bronze players are not always wrong.

It relates to game experience. The more time you've played the game, the more matchups you've personally experienced, the more champions you've personally played as, the more roles you've played and understand, the more information you've either gathered from playing or watching pro play or even sought out specifically, the more likely you are to be right, regardless of your rank.

If I had to guess (and I do, because I don't play ranked, even though I've played the game for 3 years) I'd guess that most bronze players are bronze not because they're "bad" but because they're impatient. They probably buy boosts to get to 30 as quickly as possible, play mostly one champion in one role (which you gotta admit the game almost shoehorns you into while you're leveling to 30) and can't wait to start ranked play. When they get there, they're inexperienced. Chances are if they'd spent more time in normals, or played more champions in more roles they'd skip bronze, or at least not be there for very long. But that's not every one in bronze. Some players maybe just don't play much (like you) or maybe they don't do well in certain roles and can't often get the one role they are good at (one of the things that keeps me from playing ranked honestly, the other is I am just not that competitive tbh.) This doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about certain things and are "always wrong."

jmaishere1 votes

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Straight answer to your question is no, bronze players are not always wrong.

It relates to game experience. The more time you've played the game, the more matchups you've personally experienced, the more champions you've personally played as, the more roles you've played and understand, the more information you've either gathered from playing or watching pro play or even sought out specifically, the more likely you are to be right, regardless of your rank.

If I had to guess (and I do, because I don't play ranked, even though I've played the game for 3 years) I'd guess that most bronze players are bronze not because they're "bad" but because they're impatient. They probably buy boosts to get to 30 as quickly as possible, play mostly one champion in one role (which you gotta admit the game almost shoehorns you into while you're leveling to 30) and can't wait to start ranked play. When they get there, they're inexperienced. Chances are if they'd spent more time in normals, or played more champions in more roles they'd skip bronze, or at least not be there for very long. But that's not every one in bronze. Some players maybe just don't play much (like you) or maybe they don't do well in certain roles and can't often get the one role they are good at (one of the things that keeps me from playing ranked honestly, the other is I am just not that competitive tbh.) This doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about certain things and are "always wrong."

Or you could really just not spend that much time in ranked games and thus not really raise your rank very much. During the preseason of season 5, I actually spent 2 weeks playing mainly ranked games and climbed out of bronze into silver. Just because someone is in bronze does not mean they don't have good mechanics, or they don't play well, I played extremely well as jungle amumu this season and moved from bronze 3 to bronze 1, but now I'm stuck, because I've hit the series like 4 times now and I happen to have afk, feeders, and whatnot. Now this is not to say my mechanics are better than people from gold and whatnot, as playing against a friend in plat, I got trashed, but to say most people in bronze haven't spent enough time playing the game, that's utter bs. I've played since season 1. The reason why it's not possible to win the game by being good now is simply because of the diminished role of a hypercarry. Simply put, besides the very few characters that can super hyper carry and 1v5, *cough vayne *cough, It is simply not possible to carry a game to win if your team as a whole isn't doing well, even if I'm going 17/4 as jinx, or 14/1 as amumu etc.

Yormaughm1 votes

Yeah what you say is true. I didn't mean it to sound like "everyone is bronze because they don't play enough." I just surmised that lots of bronze players are bronze for that reason.

You're right about the lack of carries being able to elevate their rank based on their own individual gameplay. I've experienced it myself, having a very positive KDA and "carrying" and still losing the game, however league is a team game and personally I don't feel that someone should be seeking individual glory just to elevate their own rank. It's almost like, if you can't coordinate and work with a team, do you really deserve to be a higher rank, since it's a team game? I understand that there's both a positive and negative answer to this, and both are valid.

At it's core I think that solo queue and team-based League of Legends are two completely different games, by that logic, even the best challenger player in solo queue (who isn't already on a team) might not be a good fit on a challenger or pro team (although they probably would just from skill/experience alone.)

CKwoka269471 votes

bronze players are pretty bad. I don't even consider myself a good player and I completely stomp bronzes.

Piratewithskills1 votes

but you never hear:

  1. you are lvl 20.

  2. you have not played ranked yet.

  3. you are less than lvl 30.

I agree with you. bronze players have worse reputation than low lvl players.

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