Are bronze always wrong?

Baunjo·9/11/2015, 8:17:28 PM·42 votes·3,561 views

Due to both my computer breaking and getting caught up with school I have been able to play this game but every few weeks. However, I still enjoy going on boards, seeing what champions are going in and out of favor, changes, etc. And almost every time I give an opinion on a matter, it is " proven wrong " judging by the fact that I am currently in bronze.

This has been a pinnacle issue in this game since I have played the last 4 years. If you are in an argument with a low ELO player, bring it upon yourself to try and explain things and help people out. This community would be much better if the people who were considered top tier players would actually give solid advice, rather than saying " Ok here is why you are wrong. 1 you are bronze. 2 you have not gotten out of bronze. 3 you are in bronze. 4 did I mention you are in bronze? "

But that's just my opinion.

Good luck out there summoners!

82 Comments

Icestar11869/11/2015, 8:38:05 PM13 votes

Bronze players are not always wrong. A lot of the time, they're right.

Unless it's a Riven QQ thread. ; )

SEKAI9/12/2015, 7:28:12 AM11 votes

Are bronze always wrong?

Correction:

Bronze are more likely to be wrong. That is all.

WolfChases9/11/2015, 8:36:09 PM7 votes

Ofc they aren't always wrong lol. There are 2 parts of the game knowledge:

Understanding how this game works.
Mechanical posibilities of a player who plays the game.

There are Bronzes that are mechanically fine but they don't understand the game so they are making bad decisions and in the other hand, you can understand the game, but you can't perform mechanically or you can, but a bit slower than someone who climbs faster. Thad doesn't means you are defected or anythig, but you know...some people simply can't adapt.

I played PvP in World of Warcraft for straight 7 years and my max 2v2 arena rate was 2300 while my friend who played PvP for 4 years managed to achieve 2800 in 2v2 and amost 3900 in 5v5.

OmniMoto9/12/2015, 12:09:36 AM4 votes

This is me, I have terrible mechanical skills and I know absolutely NOTHING about how to carry a game, what I should do when fed, etc, but when watching other people play, I can pretty much call out exactly what they are going to do, I just can't put that into my own games. I have made, (what I would think to be) intelligent comments on the boards, and have gotten called out for being bronze. I don't view it as a bad thing that people don't respect bronze players or statements, its most certainly not a good thing though, I do understand their point of view, as I don't believe I am truly knowledgeable of this game to make a valid argument against most things. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

gubigubi9/12/2015, 3:57:31 PM3 votes

There are so so many players that are top tier that have given out free advice whether that be on the forums, youtube, twitch, reddit, various guide sites. The information you seek is out there you just have to look for it.

Long ago when I was bronze I wanted to get better. So I looked up a guide and learned all of the match ups I could and then played many many games.

So your question is are bronze always wrong? No they are not always wrong. But the majority of the time the advice of a higher ranked player is better. Would you rather take medical advice from someone who is in college to become a doctor? Or someone who has been a doctor for 10 years. It is not just in league most of the time people with more experience have better knowledge of what they are talking about.

Depóngo9/12/2015, 11:35:45 AM2 votes

An argument is the same no matter the player/person.

I'm Gold and I notice when a pro makes a mistake I probably wouldn't do, yet they are way better than me and don't make the majority of mistakes I do. If you think your higher division friend made a mistake, then point that out or ask "shouldn't/shouldven't you do/done X instead of Y?" whenever you feel like it. That way you can both learn something new.

I see Bronze players as just players with a huge room for improvement. Not as someone who can't do anything right. Different Bronze players are good at different things, but they all lack at many. There are Bronze players out there who outclass me at, for example, my worst strenght and/or my worst role.

After all, I was Bronze 5 once. Helping a Bronzie is not so hard and I'd love to do it if I one day have the opportunity.

Yxgl222HaX9/11/2015, 11:21:26 PM2 votes

Well generally speaking most elo players don't know as much as higher elo players... BUT there are exceptions. Some people have a lot of game knowlage but are just bad mechanically , or have terrible hardware and lag to much to have a steady win rate. Sometimes a mix of both can cause some pretty brutal tilts. Myself for example, I'm silver 5, and with slightly higher than silver over all mechanics and much higher game knowlage and macro play but the toaster of a laptop I'm on makes it almost impossible to play ranked without getting a new comp first. It's not unusual for me to play with 250 ish ping and random fps drops to 10 or so in the middle of a fight. On a good day ill climb a rank or two only to lose it the next day due to trying to go again and then lagging like crazy so I kinda gave up on ranked till I get a new comp. But that does not mean I don't know how the game works. I read the patch notes, I watch the lcs I look up things on my champions I play such as how to do things, macro decisions about when to be where, such as when is the best time to split push and when should I choose grouping over splitting ect. (Shout out to REDMERCY for teaching me some tricks on my main that ive used fairly effectively). But the point being, its true that low elo players might know what their talking about, but the chances of that are just a lot lower. In my own devision I get people placed there after provisionals sometimes off pure luck provisionals (he was a friend of mine just hit level 30 and ended up dropping to bronze 5 within a week) that are new players and shouldn't be higher than bronze, or players who bought their accounts that where plat/gold accounts and have to redo their promos for the new season on it and place high silver due to soft resets even though they SHOULD be in bronze. You see that a lot in silver 3-1. A 0/14/1 ryze with 100 ish total norms that was previously plat lost me my promo to s1 before I went on tilt ... he lost to a gold 5 rengar. No former plat ryze main looses to a gold 5 rengar top lol. That was definatly a smurf account that someone bought. Because no one realisticly gets into plat after only 100 games unless its a smurf from a diamond+ player. And a diamond player sure wouldent lose that badly. I mostly listen to players I can tell are expirenced. Like myself I have about 1.5k norms won and over 2.5k total counting aram/dominion and the "seasonal" game modes and about 600 total ranked. So if I see a player with an opinion who has more than 1k played ill consider their opinion. 400 and under I don't bother with lul. Damn this came out longer than inded holy fk no ones going to read this lmao. Wellll sense no ones reading this here have some teemo nipples. Teemo Teemo Teemo

Chrogo9/12/2015, 12:02:50 AM2 votes

Bronze players aren't always wrong... but there's no denying they make a lot of wrong decisions and plays. Otherwise they wouldn't be bronze for very long.

You can't be a good player who is right most of the time and be stuck in Bronze. I mean I have never even seen bronze level of play, but I see plenty of Silver level of play and it's so bad I question how anyone could be worse while also actively being right about many things relating to the game.

Stars Shaper9/12/2015, 3:30:56 PM2 votes

Honestly, division and league are a pure form of luck.

I think that even unrankeds can have a good vision of the game and balance and if some1 starts "countering" your arguments just saying "hey I'm higher elo so shut up I know better" then they are just lacking actual arguments.

Lugg9/12/2015, 9:51:34 PM2 votes

If someone's response to you is "You're Bronze and don't know anything", that just means you won the discussion because they don't have a real response to counter you.

Yormaughm9/12/2015, 9:30:31 PM1 votes

Straight answer to your question is no, bronze players are not always wrong.

It relates to game experience. The more time you've played the game, the more matchups you've personally experienced, the more champions you've personally played as, the more roles you've played and understand, the more information you've either gathered from playing or watching pro play or even sought out specifically, the more likely you are to be right, regardless of your rank.

If I had to guess (and I do, because I don't play ranked, even though I've played the game for 3 years) I'd guess that most bronze players are bronze not because they're "bad" but because they're impatient. They probably buy boosts to get to 30 as quickly as possible, play mostly one champion in one role (which you gotta admit the game almost shoehorns you into while you're leveling to 30) and can't wait to start ranked play. When they get there, they're inexperienced. Chances are if they'd spent more time in normals, or played more champions in more roles they'd skip bronze, or at least not be there for very long. But that's not every one in bronze. Some players maybe just don't play much (like you) or maybe they don't do well in certain roles and can't often get the one role they are good at (one of the things that keeps me from playing ranked honestly, the other is I am just not that competitive tbh.) This doesn't mean they aren't knowledgeable about certain things and are "always wrong."

Piratewithskills9/13/2015, 10:37:19 AM1 votes

but you never hear:

you are lvl 20.
you have not played ranked yet.
you are less than lvl 30.

I agree with you. bronze players have worse reputation than low lvl players.

CKwoka269479/13/2015, 2:12:19 AM1 votes

bronze players are pretty bad. I don't even consider myself a good player and I completely stomp bronzes.

Myz9/11/2015, 10:05:07 PM1 votes

Bronze don,t understand how the game work, so yeah they're always wrong. If you can't even get into silver which is still very bad & easy to get above 15 KDA, how are you going to understand the game ?