22 Comments

Chaos Milk Tea8 votes

fucking illuminati

CurseOfLife1 votes

{quoted}

fucking illuminati

confirmed

Arkhan3 votes

I don't think he is broken. I think people just don't know how to play against him. As a Mastery 7 Ivern Player. I can tell the difference between teams that know how to play against him vs teams that do not.

FalconPawwwwnch8 votes

Bullshit

His win rate is the highest in the game by far and hovers anywhere from 55-58%

That's fucking absurd

If legit any other class had stats that ridiculous across all servers they'd be nerfed immediately

ZURELL5 votes

literally just kill daisy and you win

if you let him get fed at the beginning you get what you get...but even you then...just kill daisy

Kilanost6 votes

His strength has nothing to do with what he contributes to damage in combat.

ZURELL1 votes

do you know how long it takes for an ivern to kill you? a fed one at that. its fucking embarrassing if you let urself die to an ivern idk what to tell you other than practice

Kilanost2 votes

Lol thats exactly what I am saying.

Arkhan2 votes

People either counter him. Or get beat by him and come here to complain. As an Ivern MAstery 7, I can tell you that he can be countered.

RexSaur1 votes

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Bullshit

His win rate is the highest in the game by far and hovers anywhere from 55-58%

That's fucking absurd

If legit any other class had stats that ridiculous across all servers they'd be nerfed immediately

Hes a support, so hes allowed to be massively overpowered (along with lulu, redemption and locket).

"its just the meta l2p xd"

Kilanost4 votes

No one can make the claim that we're unfamiliar with him anymore. Its been a while.

Arkhan2 votes

People are still unfamiliar with how to beat him. And instead of looking up ways, they complain about it.

Chønklord2 votes

People still don't understand how his kit works or that he needs smite to be effective (outside of jungle), it's ridiculous

Kilanost1 votes

Yup. His biggest issue with being too strong is actually how strong he is at counter jungling. Even if you're fortunate enough to be on a team that reacts to whats happening in your jungle and collapses, Ivern has taken half your camps. His early counter jungle is absurdly strong and delays xp and farm to the other jungler in a role where xp and farm has already been nerfed entirely too much. If jungle xp and farm were what it was at the end of season 6, Ivern's win rate would look a lot more balanced.

Essentially, balancing Ivern by making changes to him are either going to make him entirely too strong or entirely too weak. The answer is in changing the jungle so it scales evenly with solo lanes so that junglers who get counter jungled a little by ivern (it only takes a little) aren't so far behind that they don't have decent options to catch up. Currently if a jungler farms his jungle as efficiently as possible (and by that I mean I've gone into the practice too and teleported to camps as they've spawned to reduce dead time from traveling) he will be level 5 when a solo laner who hasn't left lane reaches level 7. Now consider what happens to the jungler who loses 2 camps. Or the jungler that ganks for a lane but doesn't get anything out of it. That player is dead. This is why a support jungler like Ivern is so strong as well. Support items and gameplay are tailored around being able to influence the game while still being under farmed and under leveled.

Basically when you force a role to scale roughly equally to a lane with shared xp but without the solo lane cs gold (like supports) it shouldn't be surprising that the support champions in that role thrive relative to the others. The jungle needs changes. Nerfs need to be reverted.

Chønklord3 votes

If anything, Ivern needs buffs not nerfs.

He's too weak early.

Masala Chai1 votes

If you're playing him as a replacement for your Lee Sin or Elise, maybe.

Chønklord2 votes

Lee sin needs buffs too; he needs a lower strength early game and stronger late game

SH Azykan1 votes

name checks out

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

One of these statistics is not like the others, great way of skewing data.

Calabok1 votes

yes . nerf him and his stupid pet

Zelorxon1 votes

I wish whoever uses champion.gg in their arguments could catch diahorrea.

l Helios l1 votes

Dies without even taking damage. Skills.

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