How do I fight talon?

Mandalorian 117·Mar 7, 2018·1 votes·781 views

Talon is one of those characters where no matter who I play, I almost never win lane against him. So how do I play against him, and who counters this annoying version of Ezio?

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KoreanEzModeMar 7, 20182 votes

Talon is a lot of predicting and long range abilities.

If you can bait out his Q, or predict his movements and poke him from outside of his Noxan deplomacy range you should be okay, In the event of his R, run back to safety, If you have a Skill shot stun/charm/slow/whatever Ahri Cassiopeia Ekko Anivia Xerath Zoe Veigar Velkoz Run back a little bit to have him in a "Predicting running path" then launch your SSCC (SkillShotCrowdControl) in the path would most quickly get him to you (usually center between where he ulted and where you are) most of the time you'll get lucky and CC him while he's invis in his ult, giving you the time to either escape, or continue your counter-attack now that he's wasted his ult. Hope this helps..

EDIT: And if you're running from talon, predict his wall jumps and fire your CC where he is going to land (timing his jump of course)

TegashMar 7, 20181 votes

I'd like to add that control mages like Xerath are very strong against Talon because they sit outside of his damage range. Viktor Anivia and Velkoz are also good picks if you want to sit back and punish misposition. Syndra also works very well for this.

Champs like Ekko and Zoe are a bit trickier since you have to enter his range to deal damage, but because your damage is usually quite high and you have hard cc on your engage to help you out, it works out in your favour most times if you're good.

Final note: while not always doing the best against him in lane, TwistedFate 's ult can completely cancel Talon's invis if you wait to use it.

Remove JungleMar 7, 20181 votes

Hes second part of W is easy to dodge.

dodge that and if u want to, go hard on him do it after that instantly so he can't proc his passive.

EggKnightMar 7, 20181 votes

I have one word for you. Lissandra.

KyazaMar 7, 20181 votes

One thing I always look out for against talon is his level 2, because at that he gains his q, meaning he can close the gap and all in you. If you see him hit lvl 2 instantly look to dodge his W as he will try to use it to start his all in, before Qing and getting his bleed damage off on you

HalcyonDwellerMar 7, 20181 votes

I've got a bit of advice, it's not all perfect but it should help.

On avoiding his damage pre-lvl-6:

The way his damage works, a lot of it is tied into his passive, which he can't use unless he hits you 3 times with spells. Before lvl 6 the only way he can do that is getting both parts of his W (Rake) to hit and then using Q on you. As long as you can avoid one of the 3 possible spell hits, you'll be relatively safe. If he misses either part of the W then he's mostly harmless for a little while. If he Q's at you, make sure to juke the second half of the rake that he's sure to use.

What I always do against Talon is I watch out for his Rake spell, when he gets the first hit on me I avoid the second half of it as best as I can. After the blades return to him, the spell will be on cooldown, so that's when it is safe to move forwards and attempt to poke or harass him, or simply farm freely.

If he lands both parts of rake then stay out of his Q range until the stacks fall off of you.

Keep in mind that Banshee's Veil, Stopwatch, and Zhonya's Hourglass effects can all help you to avoid one of the spell-hits from rake.

What to do when he roams to try to get fed:

When he leaves lane be sure to push the minion wave into his tower to punish him with lost farm. Also be sure to ping danger for your allies so they know to watch out for him and to play safer.

If you don't have waveclear you can build towards Luden's Echo to help with that.

And ward the pathways in Talon's jungle near lane so you can see if he roams or is simply baiting you to push your lane into danger.

ReySolomonMar 7, 20181 votes

Vladimir Is my go to when I see Duskblade abusers.

Take item 1054 you can trade him and win the trades since you Q off minions to get all that HP back then 1st back item 3191 and if you have enough for item 3067 so that armor you just bought will be more effective.

Last time you saw him before he R'd that's where you R at and E W so when you come back up his R will be done and even if it hits you you have a doran shield + seekers (If you have Kindleheart) it helps you survive the burst he will throw out while you heal some of it back, Possibly kill him aswel if you have ignite.

The only one who can survive the burst the ad/ap assassins throw Except Akali she counters him at 6 since she can keep on top of you and heal back everything and burst harder than you will BUT reworked morelleo helps but don't pick vlad into akali lol.