Meddler said that they are going to bring back solo snowballing and reduce team snowballing. So solo carries can become a thing now. He also said there will be more gold on shutdowns so there would be more insentive to help a failing lane. They’re hearing us guys!
Edit: Sorry I didn't send a link before. I was on my phone about to go to class, so I couldn't copy the link. So here you go.
xelaker41 votesI'll believe it when it's happening in my games...
Serika Zero31 votes"you will have a true soloq at the start of the season" "oh, don't worry about dynamicq guys, we have some delay with the true soloq, you will get it in 2 months" "oh, 3 more months for that soloq, enjoy dinamicq for the while being" . . . . "1 year later, finally back to solo/duoq ranking"
yes, riot has a habit of lying and not keeping up their promises. until its here, its just empty words.
rtbf2256182411 votesTo be honest, i think after that whole fiasco, they did start fulfilling most of their promises. I can't really name anything they've lied about after that shitshow.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesriot has a habit of lying and not keeping up their promises.
Uses only a single example, and yes it is a single example. A continuous lie is still a single, big lie. Wanna give any other examples, besides Dynamic Que? Because that seems to be the only thing people want to bring up.
ChaddyFantome3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hZcajneE,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-03-22T20:59:42.861+0000)
Uses only a single example, and yes it is a single example. A continuous lie is still a single, big lie. Wanna give any other examples, besides Dynamic Que? Because that seems to be the only thing people want to bring up.
Ao shin? Diver class update? Assassin objective? YASUO REWORK? Need more examples?
ModAcademy Kayn4 votesIf you think any of those were promises, than boy, you need to redefine your definition. The Yasuo one especially.
Terozu2 votesAo Shin wasnt a promia he was an early idea exploration who was later developed into Aurelion Sol.
Yasuo was being considered for a rework but ended up getting some numbers tuning instead.
Prozzak1 votes"We are looking into the possible of x" does not equal we promise you that x will happen. It means there is a possibility. People wonder why companies like Riot do not talk more freely with their customer base. Well, it is for reasons like this. When they talk about potential changes people react like a promise is being made and then get mad when it doesn't happen.
Blakiepug10 votesThey also said Yasuo would get a mini-rework last summer and look how that wound up...
Terozu7 votesThey said he was being considered for one.
HarrowR8 votesThe hypocrisy of League boards,you cry cause bot lane carries hard,even if its two people,yet celebrate when they say that they're bringing back solo snowballing and solo carrying. Can't wait for the people to start bitching how one Yasuo,Zed,Yi,Darius etc carried the game all alone,crying for a nerf
Z3Sleeper2 votesWhen that time comes, we, the righteous of the boards, will fight back against the QQ.
Mandalorian 1171 votesSee the problem is that adc is arguably the only one that actually matters (to most people, I have mixed results in my games) this would actually make it so that the adc is the only one capable of carrying. The main problem is that the 7/0 riven can’t carry as well as she used to, but 0/7 Lucian at bot just might lose you the game. This might fix some of these issues (maybe).
I do understand where you are coming from though. It does seem like it’s all “I want this, I need that, gimme gimme gimme” and Hashinshin was the one leading the charge.
SEKAI4 votesI'll be cautiously optimistic.
Remember the last time they tried to buff the turrets? Yeah they actually nerfed them in the end, like wat. Speaking of which, have they reverted the damn thing? Oh, they just buffed Baron buff too, great work guys...
I just hope that shit doesn't repeat itself again when this change comes.
NorthernRedStar3 votesWhat I don't like is them over-buffing every AD-based champion in the meanwhile. That's going to cause issues in the long run.
OP Garen Support1 votesIts part of the greater plan they buff adc every patch until midseason then nerf them back where they were at the start of the year. That way Adc is still disgustingly broken but white knights will start worshipping riot for keeping their promise.
King Kog2 voteslink?
Troll for Trump2 votesThey said things to that effect multiple times this season already.
Mandalorian 1171 votesHe did that this is part of the focuses of the mid season along with adc oppression and bruiser buffs and quality of life changes.
6KEMBE4ORBA2 votesThe game can't go back to what it was - baron/el.drags/minion pushing/removal of green wards/full tanks doing dmg/RFC+shiv braindead combo/support getting free gold and buying cheap items/retarded minion block + 132131 other retarded things.
Shutdown gold being tweaked a little is nothing.
The game has turned into ~20 min shitfest deathmach with zero strategy and the last 10 mins consist of the losing team just delaying their Nexus exploding.
Superspick2 votesLet's quickly take a second and temper our expectations pls.
I didn't see him commit to -anything-, which is wholly warranted and intelligent. But it is definitely awesome it is on their radar.
vgamedude2 votesI swear to God this better not just end up making adcs even stronger.
Yordle Xayah2 votesMeanwhile in Paper Land, the Turret Factory continues to pump their latest Useless Model 002 and prepares it for its direct shipping to Summoner's Rift
Zedex1 votesSweet, time for One Tricks to carry for an entire patch. That and every assassin/skirmisher player.
Was pretty sure they made those changes in the first place to reinforce teamplay around your marksmen, a concept thats been a core part of this game since it's inception.
SEKAI5 votesSweet, time for One Tricks to carry for an entire patch. That and every assassin/skirmisher player.
Was pretty sure they made those changes in the first place to reinforce teamplay around your marksmen, a concept thats been a core part of this game since it's inception.
That was only shoved down our throat since some point during Season 3, and then after a while they somehow become the center of everything for some reason.
Zedex1 votesGames always revolved around marksmen even when Ashe was a mid champion. ADC's always bring siege potential and kill potential, not to mention that they are very strong for claiming objectives.
There's never been a time in high level play where an ADC hasn't been essential.
SEKAI1 votesGames always revolved around marksmen even when Ashe was a mid champion. ADC's always bring siege potential and kill potential, not to mention that they are very strong for claiming objectives.
There's never been a time in high level play where an ADC hasn't been essential.
The "kill" guys have always been mostly assigned to assassins or mages. ADCs were mostly used as siegers, yes, but they were not the only siegers. There was a class of champion called the "pushers" that siege towers based on enmassing a powerful minion wave to shove down the lane; Alistar and Morde have been in that category of champions. Not to mention, it doesn't include some guys who just so happen to be super good at sieging such as Nasus, Trundle, Udyr, etc (in fact, frontload-power-wise in sieging, these guys may be unmatched). ADCs were more preferred in high level player as siegers because they're safer due to their range, however it doesn't mean the game literally bent itself over for them. That did not happen until some point in Season 3, where Riot decided they need to be the center of everything.
Remember, it used to be the case that ADCs' goal was just to farm and get superboosted autoattack to whittle down things (either be a source of sustained DPS in longer fights or chipping off turrets from a range); which is pretty boring despite the sieging part being quite important, but that's basically all they were meant to do before suddenly being decided to be all classes combined into one just excluding tank. Whatever their old play pattern was, at least having a clear scope and boundary of what they can do is at least better than only vaguely having one.
They have always played an important role, sure, but the difference is that the game wasn't literally their bitch.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesTeamplay around your marksman. Until nobody finds that fun, so adcs get powercreeped so that scenario can work without any of the teamplay except maybe an enchanter.
Zedex1 votesso no one finds a core concept thats been around since the games meta was "streamlined" fun?
Then why do people still play this game?
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesGo into a norms game and tell me how interested anyone is in playing around their adc. At most there's one enchanter support, but more likely it's 4 people gunning for the enemy adc all game. And when you watch that situation, the balance state of Tristana and others makes a weird bit of sense.
I'm a support main and I like the actual teamplay, but below diamondish 90% have no interest in it, and Riot doesn't seem to care about enforcing strategic gameplay on people who just want to play Smash Bros anymore.
AmazoX1 votesLink to where Meddler stated that please. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
Z3Sleeper1 votesHopefully it makes Tryndamere more ridiculous cuz he already goes off the rails with 1 kill. I want him to launch into the spotlight so he gets nerfed lmfao.
Mandalorian 1172 votesI think the problem with tryndamere is that he’s so outdated. He’s a 1v1 master and can dive with little issues. Even his counters like Shen and Jax have problems, and executes from urgot or cho’gath. Are almost irrelevant. I honestly think he just needs a full rework.
Z3Sleeper1 votesYeah like, I don't think he's the best top pick or anything, he just stomps certain matchups too hard and snowballs too easily. Additionally the problem with Tryn is can't really shut him down. Like, you can kill him as much as you want but he's not gonna stop wasting your time going off to kill him while he pushes down your tower--and killing him isn't always feasible.
Like, if a Tryn is in your game your best bet is ending what's essentially a 5v4 before Tryndamere can get anything done.
He really is just a nuisance.
revliledpembroke1 votesThe weird bit is I remember the introduced a whole bunch of stuff to stop/curtail snowballing. Then it somehow snowballed into snowballing whole teams instead of individuals
ReySolomon1 votesWow! I can't believe this is happening I really thought they were gonna leave it like this til they start losing their players.
nelogis2 votesThey are losing their players thats why they started changing it, they wouldn't have given a single fuck if that wasn't the case.
Last time I was on Twitch DOTA 2 had more viewers than LoL (EU primetime)
Milton Fletcher1 votesunti we get a public apology from the balance team over the ardent censor 6 month cancerous degenerate meta, i will not trust a single thing these people say.
they continue to fuck over the game with no reason as to why and take their sweet ass time to fix it.
adcs have been overbearing for 2 years now.
fighters have been in the dumpster for 3 years now.
:)
Anatera1 votesIt's nice, but I'll believe it when I see it in the patch notes.
MAGA MAN X 20201 votesIt's happening and it's not a good thing. The game is going to shit fast. Tanks will be non existant and the game will turn into isometric call of duty. Now the bronze chase will be worth it because kill matter more than macro. I can't believe the balance team actually gets paychecks. You could go to the local zoo and get better advice on how to balance a game.
T4underbolt1 votesTanks are god damn free win in lane. They are suppose to scale and yet they are storing in early anyway. The only role that counters them is ADC which is also overtuned. If tanks didn't get overtuned long ago in S5 and then s6 there would be no problem and ADCs wouldn't get overbuffed.
Ifneth1 votesI’m glad they’re being careful about it. Solo snowball is important to let individuals carry, but it also needs limits to prevent situations where the only person having fun is the one snowballing.
In particular, old champions like Zed, Tryndamere, Master Yi, and Katarina, whose simple kits make them feast-or-famine, will need nerfs to their high-end snowball to keep them from becoming nigh-unstoppable stat-balls once ahead.
I also worry that enabling solo-carrying will backfire, making junglers gank top-laners even more to start the snowball rolling. Lee Sin, Elise, Shaco, and Olaf’s fast and healthy first clears would let them reach top lane first, and if they do and reliably gank, then slower or less-healthy junglers would have to just concede top lane unless that shutdown gold were really juicy.
And that’s another thing. Spreading shutdown gold meant that teams would try to shut down fed enemies, but if that gold becomes more solo, then getting the last hit will be important and contentious. What happens if the jungler decides that their laner doesn’t ‘deserve’ the comeback or is just selfish and steals the gold? It could lose the jungler the game, but people who do stuff like that usually don’t look that far ahead or care more about their pride.
Hope this works...
Villainous V1 votesSo, right now everyone is bitching and complaining if the fed two man bot lane can carry games, but if this goes through and you have rivens and yasuos solo stomping games, you'll start bitching for them to get nerfed instead.
LegitBusinessman2 votes[{quoted}](name=Villainous V,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hZcajneE,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2018-03-23T12:44:56.476+0000)
So, right now everyone is bitching and complaining if the fed two man bot lane can carry games, but if this goes through and you have rivens and yasuos solo stomping games, you'll start bitching for them to get nerfed instead.
Because the issue isn't gold distribution it's damage creep. It's 'buff everything to make nothing op' mentality. Honestly I don't see this gold change as being very significant.
subhuman team XD1 votesy well , sure they said that but they're lowkey nerfing assassins (for no reason) by nerfing their runes (sudden impact) and the already nerfed duskblade , but instead they're also buffing adcs by making them deal even more dmg to tanks as if they didnt shred them hard enough (cut down buffs) , even if this "solo" gold thing goes through , it still wont solve the problem this game has right now , no wonder everyone is quitting this game
T4underbolt1 votesWell meddler didn't boosted himself abusing varus and ADCs high enough so he can't nerf ADCs yet.
Lunar Lunacy1 votesBring S4 meta back pls thanks
Late For Tea1 votesWhy is everyone so excited about this? If my midlane feeds the enemy Veigar 5 kills in 12 minutes, that's a major issue. That fed Veigar is just going to roam to other lanes and 2-shot everything. Solo snowballing is only going to make this worse, and will make a single losing lane even more detrimental than it already is. If we had options to help a losing lane this could work, but everyone is stuck in their own lane because leaving it for 10 seconds pretty much results in a lost turret.
I understand that "the better botlane wins" is a big issue, but adding more snowballing elsewhere isnt going to do the game any good. They should just balance botlane. This change is just going to power creep the game further and further.
