Congrats Riot you've completely homogenized supporting as a role

Derfel··69 votes·2,819 views

It's not oh you picked Janna or Nami, it's oh you picked redemption and locket, good job. clap

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ACENOX24 votes

it's not you picked braum or karma it's you picked redemption and locket

this description is better since even tank supports are building shields/heals items

supporting is no longer about tanking/doing damage(except brand)/ccing/protecting

it's AOE shield and AOE heal

Debuffs disappeared

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

We've never had a debuff support and we never will. The most we got on a champion was Sona hitting people with her green chord but even then that wasn't TRUE debuff champs. Hell, Trundle has more debuffs than any support champ. (Hence why support trundle is a thing)

And IDK where you're getting that. Damage/Tanking/etc is still a thing. It's just that locket/redemption is so good that you can make them work on any champ. Braum tanks better with both. Nami heals/sustains better with both, etc etc etc. On the plus side it means almost any support can work thanks to the items but, on the downside, it also means that whoever works the best with these items is the "best" character.

WoonStruck6 votes

Nunu was a buff/debuff support and he was gutted out of the support role because he was actually decent at it.

ModCaptainMårvelous1 votes

True, but Nunu was a champ played at almost every role (Top, Jungle, Support) and of them usually his support was the worst save for season two. At this point I'm fairly sure he's just an annoyance jungler.

ACENOX9 votes

LOL sure, old taric removing 30 or 40 armor in AOE is sure not a debuff Support trundle was sure not a debuff

Erractic Eick3 votes

Hence why they changed it, and while I did enjoy the old Taric, I also really like the new one.

RocketRelm2 votes

I'm not sure how many people know this, but Trundle Chomp actually steals 20/25/30/35/40 AD.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

Which is irony, since they recently defined entire subclass of Mage Supports without heal or shield focus but with CC and displacement focus. Lol.

agbudar11 votes

adc build item 3085 item 3031 for the longest time now

with the exception of Lucian Ezreal Draven Jhin and perhaps MissFortune who imo has build diversity cuz she can pick 2 build options

agbudar4 votes

bashing supp itemization aside it did open up new possiblities for support right now

just that items such as item 3109 need their cooldown on their unique passive removed. nothing sucks more then putting it on someone and have them die because they thought they could 1v5 and now you gotta wait 70-90 seconds for it to come back.

rename it to something like knights sanctuary

Derfel2 votes

Aside from the fact that's riot's incompetence at work, damage items don't warp the game as much as cheap aoe shields/healing that scale off level rather than gold do, especially ones that you can't miss at all. Atm the support has been turned into a second hp bar for their team and that's their defining trait now. A lot of terrible supp players love to say "well now we can impact the game durr" when they don't realize essentially a bot can do what they do with redemption and locket.

SpecterVonBaren14 votes

No.... actually damage items warp the game far more than support items, just a passing glance at the history of items in the game will show that.

aspects11 votes

draven jhin and mf still get ie

RavenMagus1 votes

All of those ADCs get IE except for Ezreal. It's just the Runaan's that's different.

Teridax682 votes

And that's an issue as well. Marksman itemization was intended to be more diverse and less static, but while the marksman update did introduce significantly more build diversity, the class is still stuck with a lot of fixed items, whether it be for some or all members. The larger issue, though, is that marksmen all tend to contribute much of the same overall, e.g. pushing power, team DPS, objective control, etc., and much in the same way, i.e. basic attacks, so even though some of their items are pure stat sticks, they at least don't make the marksman class drastically more homogenous in its contributions than it already is.

The problem with support itemization right now, specifically, is that it's homogenizing what is probably the most innately diverse class in the game. Even with common effects like heals and shields, every support plays and contributes in a manner completely different from every other, so it's kind of disappointing to have their items do practically nothing to emphasize the power of their respective kits, and instead all give them actives with so much raw strength that they all basically end up with about 3-4 extra basic abilities in common.

To be clear, the issue isn't especially that supports have powerful actives; that much is fantastic. The issue right now is that these actives end up practically eclipsing the innate power of the support wielding them, to the point where supports don't really feel valued for their champion's unique contribution so much as the items they bought, which repeat themselves across matches. Effectively, it makes the support class feel less diverse than it truly is, and thereby less interesting than it could be, at a time when supporting is still the least popular role in the game by far.

Chamuel854 votes

Also, make sure you hold your ADC's hand on his way to school... otherwise your 'lack of communication' (aka not performing meta support because your teammates report you and it is a 'negative experience for them') will get you bans

Envoy of Melody4 votes

OH, DOES THAT MEANS IT'S FINALLY THE TIME FOR Urgot item 3107 item 3190 summoner 4 summoner 3 ??

Legacy Hydralpha6 votes

Add a item 2049 in there and you will be Challenger in no time.

DJMason881 votes

item 3071

Champion Skin1 votes

Urgot is obviously a perfect support right? Passive: reduce the enemy damage Q: Ehh some damage ability (but it can slow with W) W: Makes auto attacks and Q slow (unless they break the shield but then they are hitting the support) E: Armor shred (and easier to slow with Q) R: Suppression + damage reduction

Vesemir1 votes

imaqtpie detected

Zelorxon3 votes

WAAAAAH, 2 CHAMPIONS BUILT THE SAME ITEEEM RITOOOO REPOOOORT WAAAHA

RavenMagus1 votes

It's less "two champions are building the same items" and more "these items are powerful enough that they actually matter more than the champion's kits".

Which is sad in a role where the champion's specific kit mattered the most for the longest time.

Xela Syab2 votes

Taric It's truly truly outrageous.

MrWasjig2 votes

And this is exactly the reason I've given up Support....the role I've mained since I started playing early Season 4 :P

Supreme Senpai692 votes

Wait this was sarcasm? I freaking love how support is based on items now. It's amazing. ADC has always been based on items; they're literally walking bundles of items. Support has always been shoehorned into "Either be Nami, Karma, or Janna... or get flamed and lose." I can actually have variety in the bot lane now.

TheBentOn31 votes

Heck, I feel obligated to pick up an occasional redemption even on Vel'Koz sup.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well.... 400 hp + 10% CDR + 75% mana and hp regen with the amazing active for only 2100 gold is pretty darn good on almost any support champion (while yes HP isn't amazing it is still somewhat useful)

Depárt1 votes

Wouldn't be bottom lane without both classes having absolutely no diversity or choice on what to build!

VoraciousX1 votes

I find it to be a problem that they basically get a health bar sized shield if they actually max heal and shield power with face of mountain. It might not be an optimal build for any one champion but the fact that it can add even more shields makes it really crazy. Add this on a support that already has shields and you'll basically be able to give them 1.25 or 1.5x HP.

Danjeng1 votes

And I wonder, what was Riot's reasoning for changing Aegis? Nice consistency in your thinking, balance team.

Mighty Mortein1 votes

"We don't want Locket to be the go-to item for supports"

  • Releases Redemption and buffs Locket shield by a crazy amount late-game.

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