Which assassins deserve a rework

Streeton·2/18/2016, 3:08:13 AM·4 votes·2,468 views

I would like to see what the community thinks about the eventual assassin rework and what champions should be included!

32 Comments

Aeolian Melodies2/18/2016, 3:21:09 AM4 votes

Akali MasterYi Pantheon Talon need to be less binary

Zed needs to stop having waveclear that efficient

Yasuo needs to be redone entirely by someone whose name is not CertainlyT

Nanuk Pihoqahiak2/18/2016, 3:10:07 AM3 votes

I feel that assassins as a whole shouldn't have amazing waveclear. It puts them into a position where if they are counterpicked or have a poor matchup, they can just outpush their opponent and roam to cover the only thing that may have slowed them down. A prime example is Zed. Even if he can't outright snowball off of his opponent, he sacrifices nothing to push the wave in seconds and roam bot to get fed.

Hayaishi22/18/2016, 3:39:49 AM1 votes

Talon, Diana, Akali, Katarina mainly.

The Bearded Bard2/18/2016, 3:49:43 AM1 votes

You've failed to include a lot of assassins on this pole.

Leblanc, Shaco, Lee Sin, Eve, Ekko, Nidalee, and Elise come to mind.

Personally I think Akali, Talon, Diana, Kat, and Kass need reworks the most.

Akali's thing is using stealth to dart in and out of fights, but she can't do that when someone throws down a pink and someone should alwayshave a pink. She's too easily countered.

Talon runs into the same problem as Akali, but more than that he's extremely binary. Can he kill you with full combo? Yes, then you're dead. No, then he's either dead or blowing his ult to escape. There's no thinking involved when using Talon.

Diana's kit has this awesome mechanic with Moonlight on her Q, but it does absolutely nothing pre-6, and even post-6 it's pretty boring. I say we should be putting emphasis on landing Q to augment her WER, not just her R.

Kat back in her prime was a horror and the straight up Queen of Solo Queue. Nowadays she's damn near useless. Her early game is so bad that it's dipping into her mid game power where she's supposed to be strong. Changes are needed.

I think instead of focusing on the 'anti-mage mage' we should cement him as the 'anti-mobility mobile assassin'. Incorporating slows, cripples, and movement speed into his kit. Q I was thinking of a skillshot that saps movement speed, W the same thing it is now, but cripples the target (unable to use movement enhancing spells like speed increases or any form of dash and blink for the duration), E stays the same, R stays the same.

KhaZix Bot2/18/2016, 3:52:40 AM1 votes

A month ago I would have said Kha'Zix, but uh... never mind, I'll let everyone else figure it out for themselves. I give it two months.

EvilRabbitt2/18/2016, 3:57:24 AM1 votes

Akali. Its not because she is strong but because she is diana. No really, look at it. A ranged marker that pops for damage, a slow with benefits (either a pull or stealth), an aoe burst skill, a dash. Ok so Diana's is AOE Q cooldown goes to like 2 or 3 seconds meaning her ult is 2-3 seconds tops if you play her aggressively, her W is better because who's going to miss a skillshot in that tiny circle?, her aoe is just damage and Diana is damage+shielding. The dash is the same. Oh, the passive? No, I didn't forget. Diana's is stronger and provides tangible benefits. Akali is just like "yo, free stats".

tl;dr- Akali is a precise replica of Diana with LESS utility, meaning either she is strong or Diana is. Rework Akali to have a bloody identity. Whenever I think oh I wanna play Akali I think "well Fiora is better top lane, Evelynn has more burst for jungle, she won't work bot lane, and nobody is scared of Akali in mid lane ever...". Why play someone who is an uphill struggle when I can grab Diana (as a "for instance") and just win faster and easier?

#feelsbadman

LankPants2/18/2016, 7:41:26 AM1 votes

There isn't a well designed assassin in this game. They're all very flawed in terms of design and counterplay.

I'd actually take this one step further, I don't think there can ever be a well designed assassin. An assassin's most basic attribute is to remove someone from the game, this is incredibly frustrating to have to deal with and is generally always going to lead to lower counterplay play styles.

A better question than "which assassins need a rework" is "which assassins don't need a rework" or "which assassins need a rework less than other assassins". I'd say the answer for the first question is probably Ekko, he's not perfect by any means but he's certainly the best designed out of all assassins.

As for the second question I think that Diana, Fizz (he's an annoying little fuck but I think he's mostly solvable with numbers, E CD mostly) and maybe Kha'zix fall into this category. I think that kit wise these are acceptable champs whos kits could mostly be fixed with numbers tweaks and very minor kit tweaks.

If I had to chose 6 assassins in the same way as the current mage rework I'd probably say Akali , Kassadin , Katarina , Rengar , Talon and Zed . I think these are the assassins with the most problems in their kits overall.