Now that Conquer is out

GigglesO·Mar 24, 2018·12 votes·2,047 views

I'm not really sure what purchasing armor is supposed to do. Not only does the enemy negate 35% OR 24% They just straight up ignore it with 20% damage going through as true damage as well.

Why even build armor at this point, whats the incentive? It doesn't really let me do anything that just building damage and nuking the enemy first wouldn't allow me to do.

If I build damage I push faster. I can kill the enemy easier, I don't have to worry about my armor being penned because now I either kill them instantly or just die.

Inb4 Takes 4 seconds to stack. Not if you are in lane phase... You can just go in when its up.

41 Comments

ViciousSummonerMar 24, 20189 votes

Don't worry man with the boards crying so much about Tabis being op they'll get nerfed and then people will cry for Tabis to get buffed after they realize they done goofed with their crying.

AirKingNeoMar 24, 20181 votes

Maybe because Tabis being rushed in top lane is boring?

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20181 votes

item 3076 yes tabi no. And bramble vest only did that because they made thornmails have grevious wounds (and gimped its damage reflection) rather than putting grievous wounds on another items to help solve some of tanks other problems like no hp5 or mp5 low mana pools. maybe armor pen

GigglesOMar 24, 20182 votes

I really want old tmail back that reflects % damage. I would love to have a different grievous wounds item.

AirKingNeoMar 24, 20181 votes

Fiora vs Jax.

Both rush Tabi...

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20181 votes

yea but it doesnt shut down the lane .... for the fiora at least because she has true damage her Q resets 60% of its cooldown and has built in healing

AirKingNeoMar 25, 20181 votes

the issue is the item is required to rush and is overcentralizing.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20183 votes

They wont Ask for tabis to be buffed they will complain that they never get any peel because no one is trying to pick tanks to peel for anyone when they blow up in 2.5 seconds for engageing.

Spicy RiceMar 24, 20182 votes

Honestly, tabi should be nerfed against melee aa's and buffed against ranged aa's.

Makes tanks better against ranged carries and stops them from fucking over melees in lane phase

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

Except riot thinks that ranged champions should beat tanks... so that won't happen.

ViciousSummonerMar 24, 20181 votes

I still don't honestly know why people complain about Tabi's so much. Tabi's is about as useful as Bond of Stone was, and Bond of Stone was utter horse shit.

rework trundleMar 24, 20187 votes

Hashinshin worded it perfectly : conqueror is just another way of patching problems (that will create more problems eventually) instead of looking at the real problems and fixing them.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

Well, we dear wouldn't want to touch the frozen chosen of popular champs, or the champs that are out of line. We have to treat the entire class as if its the same thing.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20181 votes

Popular champs are only popular because they are strong. when melee champions are strong they are popular too. Anyway i feel good as a melee fighter knowing that other melee fighters ignore my defenses and 20% of their damage is true damage.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Popular champs are only popular because they are strong.

Have you been listening to riot about Yasuo and Lee Sin? They were never popular because they were strong. They were popular because they were "Fun to play"...

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Come on get it straight.

RyrynounetMar 24, 20182 votes

I don't really think every champion is "fun to play" ardent cancer cough cough meta janna cough lulu cough those both supp must have been "fun" to play :v

GigglesOMar 25, 20181 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Now you are getting the picture.

RyrynounetMar 25, 20182 votes

Yeay ! ^o^

MalakMar 24, 20182 votes

Maybe as people think more like you, Conqueror will be less common and then armor will be a thing again

GigglesOMar 24, 20182 votes

[sg-lux-2]

No, armor will be less common, because building it is starting to do nothing.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20182 votes

Starting i dont play tanks anymore and those that i do play are taric that i play for his Q healing been building ap on him from long time for it.

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

When the tanks are building damage items because they are flat out better something is wrong.

LordGeovanniMar 24, 20181 votes

Actually tanks have been building damage items since season 2 but only as last items not earlier because stacking armor like back then is still true today isnt good as defenses defend less and less the more you build.

GigglesOMar 25, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Actually tanks have been building damage items since season 2 but only as last items not earlier because stacking armor like back then is still true today isnt good as defenses defend less and less the more you build.

Yea, but now I see "tanks" building item 3074 item 3078 item 3071 item 3053 item 1412 item 3047

Sure looks like a tank build to me.

LordGeovanniMar 25, 20181 votes

the champs you see building those most likely arent tanks they are fighters that are forced into tank items because riot doesnt want tanks to survive 10seconds in engagements.

GigglesOMar 25, 20181 votes

Camille shes a "tank" Poppy also a "tank"

Those are the two primary, but I also see very little actual tank items being used. Almost all of them are just damage with a splash of tank.

LordGeovanniMar 25, 20181 votes

Both of those are fighters. Poppy a semi tank. She before rework was a pure fighter who was often built tank due to her % damage on q. though her best build was assassin but thats not what we talking about. after her rework they made her primary tank secondary fighter which is why she doesnt have a useable in fight ulitmate and her skills dont scale well. But people dont play her tank much because tank is a boring class that riot constantly nerfs anything that does well in actual tanking See Poppy and Camille. For the sake of their fast meta's. Camille is a primary Fighter that can be played as a tank as much as any melee champion would go tank when they would die alot other wise (id say assassins are underrated for this because of their constant spell uptime and mostly stubborn community wont accept any assassin that builds as an assassin. But Tank ekko and tank akali did well with this {bruiser build though})

GigglesOMar 25, 20181 votes

Poppy is def considered a tank. I liked it better when she was a hybrid fighter tbh.

As far as being boring, I love baiting the enemy into using all of their shit on me and then being completely useless other than the fact that I made them fuck up by focusing me in the first place. Sure its not how everyone wants to play, but why nerf it? Its very counter-playable through just ignoring the tank.

LordGeovanniMar 26, 20181 votes

Poppy will almost never go into 5 tank items and tank boots just wont see it. Because tanks stats are worse the more you stack and most importantly for the player dealing no damage feels like you have no game impact so if a champion does no damage they dont be picked . Poppy although she builds very little damage does need that little damage to make her Q do anything on the first hit because no one is gonna stand on it for the second q proc

leakinbMar 24, 20182 votes

Conquer is CONVERTING part of the dmg as true dmg If you do not build armor, they will hit you harder (more dmg converting to true dmg) When you have armor, the true dmg converted is not that much

GigglesOMar 24, 20185 votes

Conversion happens before resists otherwise it would be a useless rune. It also isn't purely about the rune, its about the armor pen items too.

AhristocatsMar 24, 20182 votes

ah yea

cuz i sure think that sion player rushing 200 armor against me as renekton is playing better than me when he misses everything and i still deal no damage to him

LUL

GigglesOMar 24, 20181 votes

item 3071 and item 3035 + your ulti does magic damage.

Also, if he has 200 armor he shouldn't be dealing damage...

AhristocatsMar 24, 20182 votes

you buy lw on renekton? XD

and your ult lasts permanently? good to know

GigglesOMar 24, 20182 votes

Just because you don't normally doesn't mean its not an option. You seem to think that every champion only has 1 item path.

RyrynounetMar 24, 20182 votes

because you permanently fight sion ? good to know

I can also take that sentence and turn it my way, find a real argument. And as said GigglesO there's more than one way to build one champ, adapt at least once to your match-up

GigglesOMar 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Ryvals,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wwfkHARE,comment-id=0006000000000001,timestamp=2018-03-24T23:19:46.990+0000)

because you permanently fight sion ? good to know

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Sion probably crits for 1k too.

RyrynounetMar 25, 20182 votes

It was also my thought since buying item 1051 gives 100% crit and crit dammages get amp by 250% :thinking:

AhristocatsMar 25, 20181 votes

yea you can kind of do fight sion permanently

and please don't kid yourself because the moment you tell a renekton to buy LW he's going to lol so hard please tell dyrus to buy lw on renekton

MalakMar 24, 20181 votes

If people actually stop building armor, conq will be useless, so then people won't pick up conq and armor will be good again!

Basically, if they have the rune and you see they are getting items that build into cleaver, maybe you want to focus more on health. It just gives people a keystone answer to address the "no thinking, just stack armor gg ez" issue top with tanks

EDIT: It might still be worth to stack armor, I don't know the math behind it. But conq actually makes armor pen items less effective because they only affect 80% of their damage instead of 100%. So yea it will be better but its stacking multiplicately. I'd take items that balance out hp and armor, such as randuins.

Elkington VIMar 24, 20181 votes

4 seconds seems more than reasonable honestly, especially with all the peel and shields that get thrown around in teamfights. Yeah, Conquerer will be strong against tanks 1v1 (as it should be), but it seems okay at best for teamfights.

Bruisers will still get kited and chain CC'd in large fights, but least they'll have a chance to do more damage before they die.