Could you NOT make her Q be able to tumble through his wall? I mean you just said it in her Tips bar:
#Tumble has many uses, but it cannot pass over walls.
Not enough? Lemme give you a screenshot of it:
Also, don't forget to fix this on new Yorick's W as well.
Caítlyn83 votesIt doesnt say anything about not passing over MINIONS.
yoshi279074 votesSpaghetti code
RG Velean4 votesIt's no longer coded as minions. It is coded as a wall, but still has holes in it
Weathered10 votesThe yorick W is minions, confirmed on stream by the rioter who made him.
kile1475 votesProbably had to be in order to be targetable and destructible. Wonder if it still works for terrain collision abilities...
Darksun Dragoon2 votesLikely will for enemies, not for allies. Base gates have a similar interaction.
OokamiNoSora30 votesthe problem with this is if poppy hits you into jarvans wall it stuns you so vayne should not be able to tumble over it
Qiy4na1 votesvayne can just condemn j4, but vayne and riven both can get out of j4 ult as they should be able to
OxyPoro13 votesvayne can just condemn j4, but vayne and riven both can get out of j4 ult as they should be able to
Riven should be only be able to get out with her third Q, not her E, Vayne should not be able to tumble out, Wukong should not be able to clone out what is the point of his arena if not to prevent people from easely escaping? As is we might as well just remove the arena and turn it into a long range strike with an attached aoe slow, would be far more usefull.
Qiy4na3 votesbut they're both so acrobatic and the size of jarvans cataclysm isn't that high
Junkο1 votesWhat about Wukong W?
Mecha Incognito1 votesI've not actually seen a Wukong W out of Jarvan's ult, but I can assume that it works because it pushes him forward (since him and his clone can't be on the same spot). Similar thing happens with Shaco ults, you can sometimes end up on the other side of a wall.
Umbra Ionia1 votes
S H A Y C 01 votesif so...then they need to change the text on the ability to sudo-impassible terrain..
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if so...then they need to change the text on the ability to sudo-impassible terrain..
A lot of people have suggested making the zone inside J4 ult a grounded zone, so it will trully be impassable. You can jump in but you can't jump out
S H A Y C 01 votesthat would be fine...making the code for the ult terrain instead of minions would work too...but im sure this is "easier" for the hamsters on the riot balance team.
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that would be fine...making the code for the ult terrain instead of minions would work too...but im sure this is "easier" for the hamsters on the riot balance team.
Not quite...Vayne Tumble can actually go though terrain without issues.The thing is that not many walls are thing enough for her to do it, I believe there are two walls that she can do it with tnough practice, giving that J4 wall is quite thin it will not change a thing. In fact is probably already coded as terrain and that's why Vayne can condemn you into it.
S H A Y C 01 votesno its coded as minions, thats been the problem from the beginning. at least thats what ive read from multiple sources and assume its correct....which is actually sad because actual minions block pathing better now than j4's ult, lol
ThePartyLeader50 votesJust make J4s wall bigger, and taller. The Noxians will pay for it, I guarantee it.
Schàdenfreude5 votesDonald Trump also pays for it though.
Pale Pirate2 votesNope he's rich.
GaleWinUnleashed25 votesShe can still pin you to your own wall even without being able to Tumble over it, though. Still difficult to fight her, but every little bit helps.
dapositiveviking5 votesbut ganking or ulting after she blows condemn should feel smart and rewarding, but tumble and spaghetti code prevent that
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesI meant to entrap her within my walls for my team to focus her down while sacrificing myself lol.
Reikken14 votesAs someone who occasionally plays Vayne and never plays Jarmander, I agree that this should be fixed.
Champion Skin3 votesEven with that change Vayne still can stun Jarvan up against his own wall which is something (and the invisibility with R + Q can also buy time I guess if the enemy doesn't have reveal/pink wards)
Reikken6 votesas long as it's consistent
UnderscorBunnies10 votesBut vayne can still tumble over walls other than j4 cataclysm .-.
Hawkefire13 votesAnd that should also be fixed
Champion Skin1 votesJust like they fixed it when it was happening with Riven Q as well right? Right?
dominusx7 voteseasy build 500ad press R tiamat Passive dead vayne. jk yeh it sucks she can do that
Sire Hippington3 votesAlso, don't forget to fix this on new Yorick's W as well.
Or anivias wall or any other player-generated walls, they all serve as second class walls vs gapclosers.
Bagguette2 votesThey need to make j4 wall provide the grounded effect, almost everybody just dashes through it lol, and i don't even play j4.
Project omen1 votesThat's the whole point of it having counterplay. Same with every ability that creates terrain, like Anivia's and Taliyah's wall.
Champion Skin1 votesAnd Azir wall right?
Not xPeke1 votesazir's wall is unique because it specifically says you can't go through it except for a few exceptions, like Fizz E for example.
making every champion's wall like anivia, taliyah, or even J4's ultimate, be 100% not dashable through would be really broken.
Champion Skin1 votesWell Azir wall applies a knock back on enemy champions dashing over meaning that any champion can jump over if their dash makes them CC immune (Like Malphite or Vi ultimate) or have Morgana black shield on them or Blinks like Flash or Ezeral E also works since it moves the hit box from the casting place to the end point without being able to be hit in between Azir wall prevents a lot of the normal counter play so it is pretty darn insane but even then it isn't that OP or anything (well not like it is now anyways)
Not xPeke1 votesyeah that's exactly my point.
So Azir's wall shouldn't be compared to the other "terrains" other champions have in their kits.
Champion Skin1 votesThe thing I really dislike about "terrain" abilities (except Azir ult) is that it punishes champions with no mobility so much harder compared with champions with mobility (and even if you have blinks/flash against Azir wall if you mess up you can end up too close to the wall ending up being pushed back again)
Not xPeke1 votesTrue, champions with no mobility have a much much harder time when faced with terrain abilities.
Your Next Kill2 votesVayne can actually tumble over the wall separating the blue side from the river in bot lane.
LatetotheRace4 votesWhich is an inconsistency in gameplay then. If this goes through, they may fix that too.
Sona x Rubick1 votesshe can no longer tumble over the wall in the river
weeaboomer2 votesYeah rolling over walls yet dashing directly through is fine. Anyways, WUKONG CAN GO THROUGH YOUR ULT WITH HIS W. ITS NOT A VAYNE PROBLEM.
Golden Tager X2 votesThis is solely because his ult is coded as minions, garen can go through the wall if he uses his e too. It's really frustrating.
Autrah Fang2 votesThis is solely because his ult is coded as minions, garen can go through the wall if he uses his e too. It's really frustrating.
funny how J4 ult is coded as minions, but Vayne can still use her condemn to stun you on it :/
The Deckowner2 votesThis is because all ability created walls are not actually coded as walls, Rito spaghetti code at its finest.
RogueWill2 votesYou caught vayne with your ult, you get condemned into your own wall, then vayne can decide if she wants to kill you or tumble away the wall and you just wasted your ult.
Finn Teh Human1 votesI think they have a few champs who can get out of it bc most ADC's and other champs who can't would just be demolished.
Spoofghoul1 votesmake the area inside jarvan ult a grounded area