What am I missing about the whole "assassins have bad late games" thing

PDE5 Inhib·Mar 30, 2016·3 votes·809 views

If a squishy is the least bit out of a position, someone like Leblanc can delete them quicker than a 14 year old boy deleting his search history. How is that a bad late game? And sure, we can say things all day like, "well they can't if the squishy isn't out of position or their team has cat like reflexes to help their out of position teammate", but let's be real. Most of the players are no where near that level that they aren't going to be out of position late game.

I'm not calling for nerfs or anything to these champs' late game damage....I'm just asking how the ability to completely delete someone so quickly isn't considered good?

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YCitizenSnipsYMar 30, 20162 votes

Because the scenario you are describing doesn't happen in late game that often when most teams start grouping. Yeah most assassin are good early becasue every one is isolated to a lane. Late game they group and it becomes much harder to do their job effectively. Even in your own description, you know Le Blanc's highest damage rotation requires her use Distortion offensively, try doing that to a team thats grouped and see how well jumping into five people goes.

PDE5 InhibMar 30, 20161 votes

So what you're saying is that ADCs and Mids have nearly perfect position for the majority of late game? LOL.

YCitizenSnipsYMar 31, 20162 votes

Not even perfect position, just be behind the back line in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bstw2cAW6hk Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about that even plays off your Le Blanc example. Notice how useless she becomes as the game continues, always walking around the edge of a team fight hoping to find a target. Never really succeeding to have any real impact on a team fight even when she can find a kill. There is a reason that most Assassin have to become split pushers by the late game, becasue all of them have to be in melee range to deal damage. And in the late game where teams are grouped thats a suicide waiting to happen unless your team is far ahead.

PDE5 InhibMar 31, 20161 votes

I mean, a lot of things would be different if everyone played like they do in the League of Legends Championship Series lol.

YCitizenSnipsYMar 31, 20162 votes

I mean its not like the assassin players you are complaining about are LCS pros. You wanted to know why assassin have a bad late game, that game is a shining example.

PDE5 InhibMar 31, 20161 votes

I mean its not like the assassin players you are complaining about are LCS pros

They don't have to be. I think that's a lot of people's issues. Champs like Zed are extremely safe and forgiving...yet if you make 1 position mistake against leblanc, she is going to 100-0 you lol.

YCitizenSnipsYMar 31, 20162 votes

Make one positional mistake against a mage late game and see how long you last. Do the same agianst a late game ADC and see how fast you get deleted. Anyone that deals damage will blow you up late game. Its just that late game is when team fights happen which assassins aren't as good in the late game.

Most assassins don't shine in teamfights, they shine in 1v1. The only was for most assassins to have a real impact late game is to split push and hope to find someone by themselves roaming. If they don't you get situations like the video I linked where all they do is walk around the edge of a team fight being unproductive.

disregardableMar 30, 20161 votes

What they mean is assassins go from being able to 2 shot anything (including tanks) to being able to 1 shot the squishy ( but not kill the tanks).

PDE5 InhibMar 30, 20161 votes

That's a little bit exaggerated.

HasanK11Mar 30, 20161 votes

no, its pretty accurate. We had a 67 minute game against a late game trist who was 15/2, and we won because she was literally an inch behind her team (wasn't even in the front, literally in the back). Our Leblanc pressed 3 buttons, killed her and we proceeded to win less than a minute later.

AlwaysByMySideMar 30, 20161 votes

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If a squishy is the least bit out of a position, someone like Leblanc can delete them quicker than a 14 year old boy deleting his search history. How is that a bad late game? And sure, we can say things all day like, "well they can't if the squishy isn't out of position or their team has cat like reflexes to help their out of position teammate", but let's be real. Most of the players are no where near that level that they aren't going to be out of position late game.

I'm not calling for nerfs or anything to these champs' late game damage....I'm just asking how the ability to completely delete someone so quickly isn't considered good?

Because there are mages can do that to an every squishy on a team in a team fight (well, maybe not anymore due to sterak's and maw) and are much harder to peel due to being ranged and using strong AOE abilities, while also having utility on their own, like Lux, Azir, or Brand

Because assassins can only reliably kill squishies late game, whereas late game badasses like Master Yi (who is "technically" an assassin, but doesn't really fit the role), Vayne, Twitch, or Jax can also melt tanks.

Because assassins like Zed are often forced to split push late game where they fall off, and will be murdered in a 1v1 by a dedicated splitpusher like Tryndamere, Nasus, Jax, or Master Yi.

I mean, it varies depending on the champion. Zed's late game is quite weak, whereas Fizz's is quite strong.

PDE5 InhibMar 30, 20161 votes

Because assassins can only reliably kill squishies late game

Isn't that kind of like...their job? In my opinion, being able to do your job =/= being bad lol.

AlwaysByMySideMar 30, 20161 votes

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Isn't that kind of like...their job? In my opinion, being able to do your job =/= being bad lol.

Yes, but their job is much less easy to pull off (when I said "reliably" I meant in a 1v1) in late game team fights.

1000angrybeesMar 30, 20161 votes

I don't really see the problem with assassins needing more finesse in teamfights if they're gonna delete a squishy champ in less than 2 seconds.

If you're gonna play an assassin, you don't get to complain about being bad in a teamfight. they SHOULDN'T be good in a teamfight, they should be opportunistic.