Zed's really popular, I wonder what's going to happen when you nerf Zhonyas AND mana regen

PDE5 Inhib·4/13/2016, 3:19:26 AM·105 votes·4,786 views

My guess is that it probably isn't going to increase diversity.

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Moonshade4/13/2016, 5:40:04 AM19 votes

Zed, Corki and Yasuo will be near perma banned after this. Zed because he's dominant mid, Corki because he's the main mid lane adc, and Yasuo because manaless annoying guy who shouts HASAGI and has 6+ dashes a minion wave

Juggernaut6284/13/2016, 3:20:49 AM13 votes

Wasn't Zed's ban rate 60%+ recently already? INB4 perms-banned Zed.

LankPants4/13/2016, 7:47:53 AM12 votes

Zed is currently picked or banned in about 80% of games. Clearly he needs to be stronger though.

TwinkiePro4/13/2016, 6:31:32 AM5 votes

The reason Zhonyas was bought against Zed was primarily for the active. In fact, it will be easier to get zhonyas now because of the price decrease, so there will be less fretting. It is now primarily a utility item, rather than something necessary most mages should buy.

edit: if you are downvoting me for pointing out Riot's plan for the item, that's a little silly. What I'm stating isn't an opinion, but Riot's plan. I do, however, appreciate the feed back, and also disagree with the way Zhonyas is being tuned. The active cooldown is by far the most detrimental change, especially since its considered a utility item now. If anything, it should be dropped to 75 seconds, not struck to 120.

Xonra4/13/2016, 10:54:17 PM5 votes

"Zed's really popular, I wonder what's going to happen when you nerf Zhonyas AND mana regen"

It's Riot doing stuff like that that makes me genuinely wonder if they have multiple teams that just don't bother talking to each other when making changes.

You have balance teams, teams working on reworks, teams working on big changes like the pre season, or this mage id season change, introducing new items or making changes to existing items. It really feels like none of them talk to each other, something goes live, then the balance team goes "well shit, we have to fix all this because no one bothered to look at anything else."

It feels like they make changes and introduce items in a vacuum and refuse to look at what is already there. I mean Zhonyas is pretty much the "anit zed" item for mages as much as there can be such a thing. Now the cooldown is being raised which disregarding the other changes that I also don't like, is going to only buff zed to a degree.

Not even going into detail about how mid lane marksman are going to go up further in popularity with the low ap AND the lower mana regen because of the ease of last hitting and pushing without abilities. Resourceless or very different resource using champs are just going to push out so many champions as well.

Jungle mages are going to have to be a bit more selfish with blue buff, support mages might as well suck a dick or waste all their money on mana regen to keep up (I'm more speaking to solo queue as pro play is a whole other animal), and the list goes on. I'm friggin silver and I can clear as day see this issues, but the people that make these changes and balance the game for a JOB seem oblivious until months after they release things (if then). Blows my mind lol

Malix Farwin4/13/2016, 3:27:39 AM3 votes

Yea prolly auto ban zed if going AP at that point lol

Netherlife4/13/2016, 7:05:03 AM2 votes

To be honest, I'm thinking that allowing Zhyona's to be cheaper will allow you to get it much sooner than before. Providing he doesn't get fed from roams, it should help a lot in preventing him from dominating you early and getting his lead that way.