"Hard Engage"

Akasuisei·Mar 12, 2016·2 votes·1,605 views

Which Champs have hard engage? I've heard the term tossed around a few times but still a little confused.

14 Comments

EndlessSorcererMar 12, 20163 votes

Generally, I find the term refers to AoE hard CC. Examples include (but are not limited to):

Alistar's WQ, Malphite's R, Amumu's QR, Nautilus' QR, Cho'gath's Q, Sona's R, Sion's R, Sejuani's R, Jarvan's EQ or R, Wukong's ER

VeraskaMar 12, 20162 votes

It's ussually champions who can force fights really well, amumu malphite Jarvan and wukong are notorious for their hard engage

ElwynnMar 12, 20161 votes

Malphite , Sejuani , Amumu , Alistar to name a few

JustMyBassCannonMar 12, 20161 votes

Basically, they're champions that force a fight to happen immediately. Something in their kit forces a fight immediately.

Thresh, Amumu and Nautilus have kits that hard-engage fights. The moment their Q connects, they are in the fray and locking down as many enemies as they can, giving the rest of their team an opening. Wukong is also an example of this, and he doesn't even use a skill shot. Dive into enemy team, begin Cyclone, allies jump on the enemy team, the fight has been engaged.

Blitzcrank is less of a hard engage and more of a hard lockdown on a single target.

AkasuiseiMar 12, 20161 votes

So I take it the term is used loosely? would someone like Morg or Elise with their stuns be counted as having hard engage? Malph, Sej, Amumu and Ali listed above all have knock ups or lock downs.

Unward49Mar 12, 20161 votes

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So I take it the term is used loosely? would someone like Morg or Elise with their stuns be counted as having hard engage? Malph, Sej, Amumu and Ali listed above all have knock ups or lock downs.

Morg not so much because even if she lands her binding, it doesn't also put her in a position to follow up the fight, unlike Wukong ult or Jarvan who, after they have locked you down, they're still there hitting you. Morg is pick as opposed to engage.

Aeolian MelodiesMar 12, 20161 votes

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So I take it the term is used loosely? would someone like Morg or Elise with their stuns be counted as having hard engage? Malph, Sej, Amumu and Ali listed above all have knock ups or lock downs.

Morgana and Elise would most likely be considered pick-oriented champions as opposed to hard-engage champions. They excel at catching someone off guard, but are not that good at forcing a full blown fight on many people.

RalanrMar 12, 20161 votes

Sion's ult is a great example of hard engage.

NoPaxtMar 12, 20161 votes

Alistar Amumu Galio Leona Malphite Nautilus Poppy Trundle Volibear XinZhao Zac

RalanrMar 12, 20161 votes

item 3070 Sion

NoPaxtMar 12, 20161 votes

Sorry I don't own him and have only played against him a handful of times.... So I forgot him...

Tyrone LannisterMar 12, 20161 votes

Malph, gragas, leona to name a few

Aeolian MelodiesMar 12, 20161 votes

Alistar Amumu Annie Ashe Braum Galio Gnar JarvanIV Leona Lissandra Malphite Nami Nautilus Orianna Sion Sona Thresh Varus MonkeyKing Zac

ValyrianBladeMar 12, 20161 votes

Hard engage typically means that the champion is capable at starting a teamfight from distance, even if the enemy team doesn't want to fight and is trying to disengage.

It typically involves either a gap closer or strong MS buff in addition to a hard CC ability (e.g. J4, Amumu, Malphite). Alternatively it can be a ranged hard CC ability (e.g. Leona, Annie). The idea is that if your team gets ahead, a champion with hard engage ensures that you can get the fights you want to press your advantage with.