Volibear change idea?

junglerboy16··2 votes·874 views

First off, I know that Volibear is in fact average to pretty strong right now (sitting at just shy of 54% win rate based on LoLKing). This change may in fact be a buff for him, but the main goal is to make him feel better as a champ. As Stonewall008 says in this video, Volibear was a juggernaut before they were a thing, and is in fact in a fine spot right now. However, that doesn't change that certain parts of his kit feel a little dull. Personally, I love playing volibear, but Stonewall suggested one really cool idea in the comments on that youtube video that I thought was worth sharing/reinterpreting.

NOTE: This idea is pretty much totally inspired by Stonewall's comment, and I'm not trying to plagiarize him in any way.

R, Thunder claws:

  • LESS "MAGIC BEAR": Base damage lowered to 50/75/100 from 75/115/155. AP Ratio lowered to 20% from 30%
  • MORE "ANGRY BEAR": New: Volbear now deals 4% of his max health as additional magic damage to all enemies hit by thunder claws, consuming 2% of his max health with every attack.
  • HIGH VOLTAGE JUMP START: New: If Volibear drops below 30% health while Thunder claws is active his passive will activate regardless of cooldown. However, this effect cannot occur within 12 seconds (the duration of Thunder claws) of proccing his passive previously

The reasoning behind this change is that right now, Volibear is just a big fat tank who doesn't die (right up there with Mundo and Tahm Kench), while being relatively useless in a team fight. His ult is particularly bland since it is just a straight steroid. Garen received a nice bit of true damage, Darius received a huge AD steroid and self heal, and Voli needs something unique and flavorful of his own. Granted, Volibear is already pretty well off right now with a decent pick and win rate, so this might not be the best time to implement this change, and it might be too strong in general (but that's a live balance type of thing), but this is the kind of change that would help change Volibear from a relatively bland meat shield into a more aggressive teamfight threat.

If you love Volibear and think this change is good, bad, or downright ugly, please comment and upvote so we can get a discussion going :D

18 Comments

ThatH1N14 votes

Please don't change anything about my voli. I feel like he is one of the best designed champs in the game along with VI.

Flyer Beast1 votes

Yeah Exactly. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Flyer Beast3 votes

I'm one of the people who voted "He's perfectly fine as is." This is because, Volibear being one of my favorite champs to play, I don't really see a part of him that doesn't have any synergia or needs to be tweaked. I like his ult as it is because of item 3930 it gives him a huge boost, and it actually does do some damage to the people around his target. He isn't as nearly single target as Akali and being a frustrating BEARRICADE is part of his teamfight strength. Volibear is imo in perfect position balance wise, no one says buff him and no one says nerf him hes just UNBEARABLE, and he is not the rarest pick in the game. I am not opposed to your change as an idea I think its a great one, but I think his current state is also a great state. Bottom line being, I can't see a need for this change I like Volibear just as he is.

junglerboy161 votes

Did nobody read the line where I say I don't think he needs buffs? I feel like everyone posting here didn't read it. This isn't supposed to be a buff, it's supposed to make him more unique and less one dimensional.

Flyer Beast1 votes

I don't think this is a real buff, but would it make him more unique and less one dimensional?

Flyer Beast1 votes

I don't think this is a real buff, but would it make him more unique and less one dimensional?

Raoul2 votes

If Volibear had a strong Ultimate, the rest of his abilities had to be nerfed.

junglerboy161 votes

Yeah, that's definitely a fair argument.

I think the thing is his ult feels too weak for an ultimate, and his base abilities feel just about average except for his W bite. I don't want them to nerf his chomp, so if this buff gets in the way of that, then it isn't worthwhile. I just thought it sounded cool as an idea.

Raoul1 votes

Dealing damage from getting health is a very problematic mechanic overall. I agree your idea sounds interesting, but it would be very hard to balance and in the end, the whole champion would have to be balanced around it. Look what happened to Mundo, with just that one change to his E, making him do damage by going full HP. His winrate skyrocketed and now he gets nerfed and RIOT doesnt know how to deal with him.

LordGeovanni1 votes

if you can get damage for getting damage and get healing for getting damage getting damage for getting health at a fraction of the other ways you get damage is just under those other ones

Wind Whistler1 votes

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if you can get damage for getting damage and get healing for getting damage getting damage for getting health at a fraction of the other ways you get damage is just under those other ones

What?

LordGeovanni1 votes

voli bear only has 1 strong ability and 2 with cc

Raoul1 votes

You only measure the power of an Ability in terms of damage dealt, which is kinda stupid. Volibears Q is actually a very very strong spell, and his slow combined with his Q is also powerfull.

LordGeovanni1 votes

you have to hold that 1 ability until the enemy reaches 20% hp for it to be significantly effective by him self the other 2 abilities arent much as his basic attack which are weak will do more damage than them over their cd. his ult is okay ish it isnt strong and isnt weak is mostly used for farming when behind like a shiv

Flyer Beast1 votes

item 3706 's Smite Plus Q. item 3930 's Phantom Hit Plus Ult. E lets you use W.

Left Hook Larry2 votes

No. As a Volibear main (ex one trick pony for voli) I don't think he needs a change. He's fine currently. A niche pick. He has clear counterplay and he's pretty strong if you know how to abuse his early game. Just because he isn't picked as much doesn't mean he needs to be. I feel like he's perfect where he is now and a buff would make him broken and a nerf would make him useless

junglerboy161 votes

Like I said, I'm not suggesting this because he's weak or not picked (he's got a +7% picket, which is pretty high for not being pick/ban levels of OP) I'm suggesting this because he's too generic and needs something to make him more unique.

Left Hook Larry1 votes

I disagree. I think he's unique and simple. Not every champ needs to be Ekko/Gnar/Kalista level complex/overloaded. And not every champ has to be a FOTM pick. Out of all the older champs I think Volibear is one that least needs a rework

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