Riven and Udyr are basically the same champion

The Bíg Ticket··2 votes·1,018 views

They both have a stun.

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Jbels2 votes

Except Riven can't do damage without going full damage items, while Udyr can do shit tons while only going two. Totally the same.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Except Riven can't do damage without going full damage items, while Udyr can do shit tons while only going two. Totally the same.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Definitely Bait2 votes

Udyr has higher base damage, a better shield skill, and doesn't really require animation cancels or overly careful judgement to succeed. This meta is made for Udyr. He's all about pushing objectives and snowballing leads. Playing Udyr can be learned with a night or two of practice for most people.

Riven is highly item dependent for damage, requires high judgement to do things without going splat, and is near worthless without animation canceling. She also has a lot of skill matchups / hard to counter champions being played in the current meta. Playing Riven can take weeks of matches to get decent at her matchups and consistently doing the proper combos.

Both are excellent split pushers that force the enemy to pull off 2 - 4 of their members to stop them when fed.

In a team fight both can act as clean up or peel for the carries. Udyr is better for engaging / being in the middle of the teamfight. Riven is better for cleaning up and is horribly squishy when her shield is not active.

Both are highly mobile. However, Riven has to use her shield and main damaging ability constantly to take advantage of it. Udyr just has to spam his stun and can afford to build deadman's plate + Runic Echoes for the extra speed without much detriment.

Riven has 2 stuns. Udyr has 1. Edit: Riven has 1 stun and 1 knockup*

Udyr plays like a tank. Riven plays like a assassin.

Udyr plays mainly jungle with top lane as a rare secondary. Riven plays mainly top lane, with mid as a rare secondary, and jungle as another even rarer option.

Out of the 2 Udyr > Riven.. Why do all the extra work when you can play something easier to get the same results? That is outside of how boring playing as Udyr can be in comparison to Riven.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Riven has 1 stun and 1 knockup...your post is invalid.

Definitely Bait1 votes

True it is a knockup. Knockups can't be countered as easily. I mean when you qss a knockup you have to have a mobility ability or flash to get out of it

Let me correct that point Riven has 1 stun and 1 knockup.

Jbels1 votes

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Riven has 1 stun and 1 knockup...your post is invalid.

Do knock-ups allow you to move, or do anything? No. Knockups are basically stuns with fancy animations, and that's all. Riven has two stuns.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

You are trolling!

Jbels1 votes

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You are trolling!

There is seriously no difference. A knockup is literally just a stun that Yasuo can ult people during.

Xicashina1 votes

There is a major difference in that knockups are not affected by tenacity.

Note: only true knockups though not suspensions

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Udyr does not have a knock-up. Your thread is now invalid.

The Bíg Ticket2 votes

Damn...well played friend!

unfortunately you are only silver though so I dont have to listen to your points.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

When someone knew he lost in an argument, and is now in a desperate attempt in using one's elo as a back-up argument.

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The Bíg Ticket1 votes

As mad as the Ahri and Lux wankers when they finally get nerfed....If that ever happens.

Popstar Ahri1 votes

-EUW-

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Yeah I would be sad too if I played on the worst region in the world.

Nagoh Shan1 votes

Jax and Taric as well

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

You are right.

Nagoh Shan1 votes

Taric and Jax have Stuns ->

Riven and Udyr both have stuns ->

They are basically the same champions ->

Udyr is highest winrate in game and incredibly OP and in need of changes ->

Jax is basically the same champion as Udyr ->

Jax needs nerfs

-QED

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

So if they nerf Udyr they have to nerf Taric too?

Nagoh Shan1 votes

No he's getting reworked for being Udyr.

FooDang1 votes

One has Lady parts

The other has Bear parts.

Sasogwa1 votes

So Jax too is the same champion

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