Ornn....

Tahminatrix ·May 27, 2018·2 votes·1,617 views

Idc about him doing shit loads of damage while being tanky..I honestly don't...but why does he get so much mobility that even when I land all of my skillshots I cant outrun him because of his gap closer, he only had 20% cdr and I hit him with 3 stacks max range as ( I flashed away and stunned him after he dashed and hit a wall in the opposite direction..) . I also had 20% cdr and I landed my slow on him whenever it came back up but he still kept using his gap closer until he was finally ontop of me...

Tahm`s q is a cc skillshot that doesn't even go thru minions or champions so its a perfect example of an ability that should be able to control less mobile champions...

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18 Comments

AstorineMay 27, 20182 votes

Ornn is constantly called weak when this is far from the truth, he moves like a Ferrari, hits like a truck and tanks like a mountain.

JbelsMay 27, 20181 votes

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Ornn is constantly called weak when this is far from the truth, he moves like a Ferrari, hits like a truck and tanks like a mountain.

Untrue on all accounts. His E is extremely telegraphed, his damage is average for a tank with his amount of CC, and with the removal of unstoppable on his W, his laning has gotten completely shit on. Ornn IS weak, there are just still idiots who don't know how to abuse him. The OP is one of them.

AstorineMay 27, 20182 votes

You haven't seen a good ornn player, saying he IS weak is an untrue absolute. He may not be op, but only idiots that haven't seen a good ornn player see him as unplayable. He is a viable pick

JbelsMay 27, 20181 votes

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You haven't seen a good ornn player, saying he IS weak is an untrue absolute. He may not be op, but only idiots that haven't seen a good ornn player see him as unplayable. He is a viable pick

Weak does not mean unviable. Being a viable pick has nothing to do with it. Ornn IS weak, which is a symptom of TANKS being weak at the moment. Sion and Malphite are the only good tanks right now, and that's with balanced winrates. I used to completely dick people on Sion back when he was considered a bad champion. The argument that Ornn isn't weak because Ornn mains are good with him is a non-argument. Is Gnar suddenly strong because you got dicked by a Gnar main? No, and once you learn how he dicked you, you know how to prevent it from happening again, allowing his weaknesses to fuck him. Same shit with Ornn.

AstorineMay 28, 20181 votes

Calling him a weak tank is unfair atm, however your observation that this is a symptom of weak tanks has some truth, sion, malphite and mundo all have their strengths in the tank world and i have seen tons more mundo lately. But others have fallen off.

Tahminatrix May 27, 20181 votes

You do realize it doesn't matter how telegraphed something is, it will hit someone when they are cc`d or low elo, or by off chance

JbelsMay 27, 20181 votes

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You do realize it doesn't matter how telegraphed something is, it will hit someone when they are cc`d or low elo, or by off chance

You have to let yourself be hit by a CC before that CC affects your ability to dodge the followup. His Q has a short range, his ult can be seen coming from literal miles away, his E doesn't do shit unless he hits terrain with it, and if he's already landing his E on you, you deserve to be punished for allowing that to happen without him having to do anything else for it.

ToxicAnythingMay 30, 20181 votes

Cough Percent Hp dmg Cough

JbelsMay 30, 20181 votes

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Cough Percent Hp dmg Cough

And? That damage means nothing in the scheme of things. If used on an ADC, the returns are minimal because of how little health they have, where inversely, when used on another tank that will have at least one MR item and at least 3000+ health, it'll mean even less. Everyone looks at percent HP damage like it's some broken thing, but it's only broken when it's true damage. When you can actually itemize against it, it's just damage.

ToxicAnythingJun 18, 20181 votes

If used on a adc it still does lots, it basically does the same amount to tanks as it does to adc's hp barwise.

JbelsJun 18, 20181 votes

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If used on a adc it still does lots, it basically does the same amount to tanks as it does to adc's hp barwise.

ADCs have lifesteal and supports healing and or shielding them. Forgive me if I'm not crying over the paltry damage Ornn's W will do to them over the course of a game.

JbelsMay 27, 20181 votes

All of this mobility...one dash with start and end lag

Tahminatrix May 27, 20181 votes

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All of this mobility...one dash with start and end lag

Yet it is fast enough and has a low enough cooldown to catch someone who is landing their single target skillshot slow on them over and over.

Remove the end lag to increase skill ceiling on ornn, increase the cooldown or reduce speed or range...

AzadetheMay 27, 20181 votes

lmfao. you make such a huge deal out of the fact you kept getting knocked up, probably taking an Iceborne Slow, and he hit you with Q and slowed you more. The cooldowns are substantially long.

He also had item 3512 , and you probably ran right down a lane.

You also didn't have a single move speed rune. On his end he had Cosmic Insight to lower his cooldowns as well.

Another part of the problem was.... He had item 3083 , and you didn't.

Tahm doesn't particularly do a lot of damage to tanks to begin with, and you let him heal out. Ofc he's going to be able to multi-use E.

You had the wrong runes, and possibly wrong champ for this matchup.

Tahminatrix May 27, 20181 votes

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lmfao. you make such a huge deal out of the fact you kept getting knocked up, probably taking an Iceborne Slow, and he hit you with Q and slowed you more. The cooldowns are substantially long.

He also had , and you probably ran right down a lane.

You also didn't have a single move speed rune. On his end he had Cosmic Insight to lower his cooldowns as well.

Another part of the problem was.... He had , and you didn't.

Tahm doesn't particularly do a lot of damage to tanks to begin with, and you let him heal out. Ofc he's going to be able to multi-use E.

You had the wrong runes, and possibly wrong champ for this matchup.

What are you talking about????

I was the support and he was the toplaner , I was running from him, he didn't knock me up he out ran me???

ARE YOU A TROLLLLLLLL???

HE DIDNT KEEP KNOCKING ME UP HE KEPT USING HIS GAP CLOSER TO CATCH UP TO ME AND THEN HE FINALLY KNOCKED ME UP ONCE, 1 DOES NOT = KEEP

let me reiterate this again, he was running after me....HE WAS USING HIS "knockup" AS MOBILITY to CATCH ME as I RAN AWAY.

WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MATCHUPS???

and this was not in lane this was in our jungle so he kept hitting walls...

AzadetheMay 27, 20181 votes

He was using his E to catch up, Q to slow, and item 3512 for mobility..... You're forgetting Zzott gives 20% movement speed when near turrets/rubble.

You were running down a lane, on a champ with no real gap skills, no movement runes, no movement items.

If you had deviated, went through the jungle, avoided walls, Ornn wouldn't have been able to keep up with you.

For what it's worth..... I can outrun Zed LeeSin with Poppy , because her W destroys their ability to dash, her E is a credible gap closer, and W is a move speed boost. Does that make her a broken champion? No. 70% of the champ roster completely trashes Poppy. But vs Dashes...... she's awesome.