If junglers are forced to build jungle item

z63XnLCMwX·Jul 30, 2017·1 votes·550 views

Force support to buy sightstone as second item. So tired of "I can't support" players picking non-meta support champ building non-support build, taking non-support spells.

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CannonLordFreedJul 30, 20171 votes

How are they forced to? They can just not build a jungle item. It's not hard.

Warlord RhinarkJul 30, 20172 votes

You will be at a significant disadvantage if you don't build jungle items. You don't have the sustain, the camp clear and you can't use your smite other than on minions and monsters. Meanwhile, the enemy jungler can do all of these things since he build the jungle item. Simply not buying a jungle item doesn't solve the problem.

Mecha MaIphiteJul 30, 20171 votes

isn't that the exact same situation with support tho

CannonLordFreedJul 30, 20171 votes

Are you trying to say a support's not at a clear disadvantage if they don't have a gold income item and a sightstone?

waiting for WoWJul 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord smilla,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wZoEZckh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-07-30T21:22:07.514+0000)

You will be at a significant disadvantage if you don't build jungle items. You don't have the sustain, the camp clear and you can't use your smite other than on minions and monsters. Meanwhile, the enemy jungler can do all of these things since he build the jungle item. Simply not buying a jungle item doesn't solve the problem.

This isn't true at all a lot of champions can easily and quickly clear camps without building a jungle item. The only disadvantage of not having a jungle item, is losing the extra experience from having a jungle item, and falling behind the enemy mid and top laner in levels/experience.

Zone of EndlessJul 30, 20171 votes

While we're at it can we force ADC to buy exec against Vlad/soraka/Mundo as well? I hate it when these ADC don't build exec against Vlad/soraka/mundo because "muh powerspike" or w/e else excuse they use.

Umbral RegentJul 30, 20171 votes

If you're going to argue that Supports should be forced to build Sightstone because Junglers have to build Skirmisher's Saber, Tracking Knife, or Stalker's Blade, then you might be surprised to find that, lo and behold, Supports already have a must-buy primary item like the Jungler weapons.

Relic Shield, Spellthief's Edge, and Ancient Coin (and their upgrade paths).

And not every Support has to buy Sightstone, either - they can build into it if they choose (perhaps their team needs more vision?), or they can build more into their item's core (maybe I want to have less wards and be able to protect my ADC properly as Leona with Face of the Mountain?)

But, then again, you probably wouldn't consider anything I said, given that you seem to feel Sightstone is the sole integral pillar of Support play.

z63XnLCMwXJul 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wZoEZckh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-30T21:50:41.243+0000)

If you're going to argue that Supports should be forced to build Sightstone because Junglers have to build Skirmisher's Saber, Tracking Knife, or Stalker's Blade, then you might be surprised to find that, lo and behold, Supports already have a must-buy primary item like the Jungler weapons.

Relic Shield, Spellthief's Edge, and Ancient Coin (and their upgrade paths).

And not every Support has to buy Sightstone, either - they can build into it if they choose (perhaps their team needs more vision?), or they can build more into their item's core (maybe I want to have less wards and be able to protect my ADC properly as Leona with Face of the Mountain?)

But, then again, you probably wouldn't consider anything I said, given that you seem to feel Sightstone is the sole integral pillar of Support play.

And yet support decides to go play Wukong support with flash barrier starting dorans. Because "I want to feel like a special snowflake so I refuse to play like a meta support"