Why Biltz is the support I hate the most to face

Angelofchaos16x··8 votes·1,610 views

His kit is no risk high reward. Unless you are Alistar that has a giant fuck you and your cc at level 6, this lane will make you cringe. The Difference between Blitz and the other supports that are tanky with cc (Leona, Thresh and Naut, not putting in Alistar since this is about the hook) is the fact that while the other supports go to the target, in blitz's case, the target goes to him (Naut goes mid way) and the other support can't do squat about it. He can take my adc 925 teemos away from me. What the hell am I expected to do about that ? Against the others at least most of the time they were in range for me to help them out, but not against Blitz. And the second thing is blitz combo of CC. Leona and thresh do pretty much the same thing, use their cc on the adc, however the support has the chance to do something since there is no major displacement of his adc. Actually those 2 can be punished if there is a lack of communication. However Blitz will pull, then knock up and then silence, letting your adc to do nothing for about 3 seconds, while you are still trying to get half way across the lane and the enemy adc has 3 seconds of free damage on a defenseless adc. And you make it close to the adc, well gj you are going to die too, because you won't do shit because of the stun. And God forbid that Blitz decides to get some AP for a spell that does 250/375/500 base damage plus 100% of his Ap, on a 30 SECOND COOL DOWN. What the hell, I'd rather face Kassadin with his Silence then this blitz, however you removed that because it was oppressive.

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KayVaugn5 votes

It's simple, don't get hooked, his hooks are easy to dodge and very telegraphed. Blitz also has a very punishing kit, if he can't land hooks he is one of the most useless supports in the game.

Angelofchaos16x2 votes

Thing is riot hasn't fixed his bugged hitboxes, cough cough IBlitz cough cough. Its unreliable and unfair that the only counterplay is stay half a mile away, there are things called short ranged Adcs, you know. Do have any idea how it is trying to support a Vayne or a Lucian against a Blitz ? They either lose farm or try to rely on jump scare mechanics and pray that the hitbox doesn't bugg out.

KayVaugn1 votes

I know you can't control other people and it's frustrating when they can't dodge skillshots, but there is a very simple way to farm with a sivir or a vayne so long as they sit in their own minion wave and always keep minions between them and the blitz. You also need to rationalize CS. Is getting a couple CS probably 50-100 gold worth giving them over 300 if you get caught? Obviously not so miss CS if it's too risky.

I would also suggest playing Morgana if you're a support main she is the hardest counter to blitz, not only will her black shield prevent someone from getting pulled to blitz, she also has a long range root meaning she can sit back safely and still be able to apply pressure.

Angelofchaos16x3 votes

I get what you are saying and while its true the adc also has to learn to balance between feeding or farming, its kinda retarded the fact that I am forced into a pick that I personally do not like , and that his counterplay is reduced to one champ. And also riot needs to fix his hitboxes. I mean, Iblitz is banned in competitive because it has a wonky hitbox, but for the other summoners, nah fuck them, let them deal with it.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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Thing is riot hasn't fixed his bugged hitboxes, cough cough IBlitz cough cough. Its unreliable and unfair that the only counterplay is stay half a mile away, there are things called short ranged Adcs, you know. Do have any idea how it is trying to support a Vayne or a Lucian against a Blitz ? They either lose farm or try to rely on jump scare mechanics and pray that the hitbox doesn't bugg out.

The semi invisible silent pull on that skin is annoying, I'll give you that. No wonder the skin banned in competitive play.

jmaishere1 votes

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Thing is riot hasn't fixed his bugged hitboxes, cough cough IBlitz cough cough. Its unreliable and unfair that the only counterplay is stay half a mile away, there are things called short ranged Adcs, you know. Do have any idea how it is trying to support a Vayne or a Lucian against a Blitz ? They either lose farm or try to rely on jump scare mechanics and pray that the hitbox doesn't bugg out.

just make use of positioning and keep a minion between you and blitz, well in this case, the adc needs to position better, and you need to ward bushes that you know blitz is in. Honestly when I'm playing blitz, my main weakness is and adc that stands in the middle of the wave, as it's literally impossible to q them, so I either have to go in with e, or grab the support instead

General Murica1 votes

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It's simple, don't get hooked, his hooks are easy to dodge and very telegraphed. Blitz also has a very punishing kit, if he can't land hooks he is one of the most useless supports in the game.

Could you l2p bf talking outta your ass?

KayVaugn1 votes

Could you actually explain some reasoning to prove me wrong? Oh someone posted their opinion and I think he's wrong, I'm going to insult him instead of telling him why he's wrong. Nice logic there.

General Murica1 votes

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Could you actually explain some reasoning to prove me wrong? Oh someone posted their opinion and I think he's wrong, I'm going to insult him instead of telling him why he's wrong. Nice logic there.

Go dodge every hook/erq of actual dia+ blitz mains, pls, do it, instead of bronze 50 newbs.

Aeolian Melodies4 votes

Nautilus does the same with a hitbox that's half the lane's width Thresh does the same while providing a lot more utility to his team if he's not landing a hook, and he does it without mana issues TahmKench does not even need a skillshot to take you and throw you around

As much as Blitz is frustrating to play against when he's good and his lane gets, he's also extremely binary - either he lands the pull and wins hard or he doesn't and is utterly useless until it's back up.

Angelofchaos16x3 votes

Like I said, the difference is the fact that against those, they have to get into range of my carry and me to work. Blitz can do it from a mile away, reducing my effectiveness in lane.

DrMarshSwamp3 votes

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Nautilus does the same with a hitbox that's half the lane's width Thresh does the same while providing a lot more utility to his team if he's not landing a hook, and he does it without mana issues TahmKench does not even need a skillshot to take you and throw you around

As much as Blitz is frustrating to play against when he's good and his lane gets, he's also extremely binary - either he lands the pull and wins hard or he doesn't and is utterly useless until it's back up.

Nautilus's hook brings him toward the enemy he hooked, making them meet halfway and putting him in some danger.

Thresh's hook has a noticeable wind-up time, along with being slower than Blitz's hook. In addition his does not pull the enemy all the way back to him, and using it again brings him straight to the enemy into danger.

Tahm Kench requires him to get into near-melee range to hit you three times, and his ranged attack for that is a skillshot as well with a lower range that only slows when his passive isn't in full effect on someone.

Troy2426211 votes

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Nautilus does the same with a hitbox that's half the lane's width Thresh does the same while providing a lot more utility to his team if he's not landing a hook, and he does it without mana issues TahmKench does not even need a skillshot to take you and throw you around

As much as Blitz is frustrating to play against when he's good and his lane gets, he's also extremely binary - either he lands the pull and wins hard or he doesn't and is utterly useless until it's back up.

Nautilus Naut's is slower and will frequently hit minions, and because of its size it's incredibly predictable because the windows of opportunity are glaringly noticeable by both sides in an almost immediate way.

Thresh Thresh's has a gargantuan delay, but the hitbox is still f*cked up.

TahmKench You can also back off when he's trying to get 3 stacks on you very easily.


The only saving grace is abusing the enemy laners whenever he misses hook. It's just irritating that he can hold hook and zone you, especially if the lane already favors his side (Ex. Kog'Maw V. Graves)

Professor Ward2 votes

i think its funny how you all say blitz is useless without pull when one of the best strats out there involves just pressing w/e rushing in, pressing r, and taking the adc fast. All the while saving the hook for the support or "if" the adc gets away. Blitz is super strong with w/e/r alone. His movespeed and massive passive shield are horribly understated.

KayVaugn1 votes

That only works if you are either really tanky or just simply really fed. Try running in and ulting the adc and see how much damage you will take in the long run if you are even. you will not do enough damage to kill the ADC by yourself and it's extremely unlikely that your adc can follow up in time to do anything meaningful. The back end of your W will make it impossible for you to get to safety without taking a large chunk of damage then depending on who the other support is it can easily be turned. I can guarantee you that you would not W in to ult the ADC with an annie at level 6 with a stun up, that is suicide. A leona, thresh, morg, nautilus could also easily punish such a headstrong tactic. A janna could peel you off before you ever get in to ult, Braum and lulu could slow you before you ever reach your destination, lulu can also silence/polymorph you before you ult, and soraka can silence you and possibly root you. Obviously a smart person would wait until they use their abilities and take advantage of it, but that tactic is not something you can just do, blitz is easily kited.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

The risk of playing Blitzcrank is that other than your hook, you're completely worthless. I love playing against Blitzcranks because they make the game a 4v5 whenever their hook is on CD. Laning bot lane against Blitz is the easiest thing in the world if your support is someone that isn't afraid of being pulled; you can zone him off so hard and turn any hook he tries into a good all in for you.

F032 votes

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Kivolan2 votes

His ability to save it and zone simply through his pure existence is pretty oppressive. It needs a longer windup or a slower grab speed to make up for how rewarding it is with the very little risk it involves.

Bringing you to him is also a problem whether you're winning lane OR losing lane. If you're winning, one hook under the turret and you're dead (the combo of the knockup after the hook is going to allow at least two turret shots, if not three)... And if you're losing, you're not safe under your own turret since he can pull you out of it.

Supports like Leona, Thresh and Naut bring themselves to you (or meet somewhere in the middle)... With either smaller ranges, longer windups or smaller hitboxes.

It would be such an easy solution to make him bring himself to you... Just like every other support has to do. If that's too difficult, the skill just needs a longer windup time and to travel slower.

Feathermane2 votes

It's OK to harbor irrational hatred for certain champions, but don't try to disguise it as grounded in facts.

4ManVotedAgainst1 votes

The main issue with Blitzcrank is if you're in Twisted Tree-Line & he pulls you into a Volibear and/or Singed just to get flipped yet again by their Singed/Volibear and you die like shit because... well... because you can't do anything.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I think It's kind of funny that Blitz is a monster mid lane, jungle, and top lane, but he's still played as a support. He was clearly designed to be played as a carry too.

Q: 100% AP scaling E: 100% AD scaling (plus his current AD) R: 100% AP scaling and a passive that scales off 20% of his AP

If you take in consideration just that combo alone you take:

800 base damage + 200% of his AP, and 200% of his AD WITHOUT being hit by one bolt of his ultimate passive.

With being hit by only one bolt, you would take 1,100 base damage + 220% of his AP + 200% of his AD

I think he needs to be both nerfed as a solo laner and a support. His damage on top of his CC is insane, his passive can be an enormous shield that scales with 50% of his current (Not max) mana, and usually getting grabbed by him if he goes support or solo lane usually ends up in death.

I don't like how Blitz can be 0-20 but he can zone you like crazy just for existing, because you know the moment he grabs you, it can take you away from your allies and pull your right into the middle of the entire enemy team.

Last I checked, the only people that want this are the MLG Vayne players who flash > ult > tumble into the enemy team to 1v5 pentakill and get bursted down in less than 0.5 seconds....or a Galio.

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Yea, Blitz was designed to work well against immobile squishies, and that's why people used to take {{summoner:2}} . Other MOBAs people send champions to lane dependent on the matchup, not the enforced lane composition riot pushes. Blitz wasn't even made to synergize well with ADCs, as they're no very bursty. The fact that anyone who excels against their predetermined lane comps gets nerfed into oblivion (Veigar) means that the lane comp was bad, not that the champion was overpowered.

Exta5y1 votes

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His kit is no risk high reward. Unless you are Alistar that has a giant fuck you and your cc at level 6, this lane will make you cringe. The Difference between Blitz and the other supports that are tanky with cc (Leona, Thresh and Naut, not putting in Alistar since this is about the hook) is the fact that while the other supports go to the target, in blitz's case, the target goes to him (Naut goes mid way) and the other support can't do squat about it. He can take my adc 925 teemos away from me. What the hell am I expected to do about that ? Against the others at least most of the time they were in range for me to help them out, but not against Blitz. And the second thing is blitz combo of CC. Leona and thresh do pretty much the same thing, use their cc on the adc, however the support has the chance to do something since there is no major displacement of his adc. Actually those 2 can be punished if there is a lack of communication. However Blitz will pull, then knock up and then silence, letting your adc to do nothing for about 3 seconds, while you are still trying to get half way across the lane and the enemy adc has 3 seconds of free damage on a defenseless adc. And you make it close to the adc, well gj you are going to die too, because you won't do shit because of the stun. And God forbid that Blitz decides to get some AP for a spell that does 250/375/500 base damage plus 100% of his Ap, on a 30 SECOND COOL DOWN. What the hell, I'd rather face Kassadin with his Silence then this blitz, however you removed that because it was oppressive.

Well since you are posting on a smurf account I cant see where your mistakes are. I main a gold 3 support (naut + zyra). This is my strat that works amazing against blitz. As always blitz are cocky and like to run up to your adc. Perfect get in their face. Not the adc but blitz's face. Dont initiate with your q but with you aa which will stun him. Then unleash the kraken on him ( q + e + w). By then more then half of his life should be gone if your adc was smart enough to focus on him. Another one of my tricks is to q the adc then aa. Blitz will automatically charge at your adc w/o thinking. The reason I say that is bc 75% of the adc will retreat under turret after i landed my combo leaving you to 1v2 that annoying blitz. Just dont be afraid to get into blitz faces as naut. Make sure you are at full health or have more HP than the opponents. Trust me most adc are full retards when it comes to fighting against blitz and leona. They are do focus on csing they they ignore everything. when i say everything i mean everything. Such as ignore the jungler coming down the river when i placed the ward at dragon giving us enough time ot retreat. Ignoring that their are no minions waves infront of the adc allowing blitz to pull them or chasing after a blitz who is under turret. similiar things apply vs leona.

Right now I am hating all junglers. Their is literally nothing that you can do once the opponents jungler is 2 level above you and they are either a Udyr, Xin, Yi, fiddle or diana.

Lugg1 votes

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His kit is no risk high reward.

His kit is defintely high risk. If you pull in a Alistar Amumu Chogath DrMundo Galio Garen Leona Lissandra Malphite Maokai Nasus Nautilus Nunu Rammus Renekton Sejuani Shen Shyvana Singed Sion Skarner Taric Tryndamere Volibear MonkeyKing Zac you're going to have a bad day.

WolfChases1 votes

Problem is that when Blitz hooks you you can literally dream about flashing away....why? Because there is a chain of CC followed by a Silence which is damn enough for his ADC to annihilate you. At least, when I am Low and I het hooked by Naut or Thresh or leona I can flash away in a second.

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