Nerf Kaisa

DontTypeJustPlay·Jul 20, 2019·69 votes·15,692 views

She has complete access to all dps defensive items and dps offensive items. There is no possible way to itemize against her, especially as a tank. This normally wouldn't be a problem if she was exactly like vayne and could actually die (except vayne has perma invis now for some reason had to pump out that legendary skin).

The truth is kaisa can go GA + Zhonyas + Deaths dance + Manamune(which seems to do waaaay too much fuckin dmg on her q ability) and she tends to 1 shot me as a tank in the matter of 0.6 seconds (chogath building full tank with multiple stacks vs kaisa who's going even and has good cs and manamune).

No I'm not low elo, I've been plat and diamond many of times, albeit not on this acc

97 Comments

TrikzterzArmaJul 20, 201942 votes

No, Kai'sa doesn't kill a Cho'Gath in 0.6 second

Caitlyn FTWJul 20, 201918 votes

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PaffWasTakenJul 21, 20191 votes

Well, to be fair, Cho'Gath has been sleeper-OP for about 2 years now and Kai'Sa has been abused by everyone in the botlane as soon as she got her post-release buffs. Both are problematic to the balance of the game, the only difference is that one will be picked about once every 100 games and the other will be played almost every 2 games.

The E77Jul 21, 20193 votes

sssshhhhh... dont let people find out about my chognoth top, infinite sustain, good poke, amazing cc and gank potential, and after lvl 6 amazing burst, great frontline with 2+ items, and with 40% cdr, his q, w, e can cc 1 champion indeffinatly

Meteora707Jul 21, 201910 votes

not with that shield and mobility fam

Tr4shB4NSYST3MJul 21, 20191 votes

Knockup into flash silence into Nom

Meteora707Jul 21, 20192 votes

what kind of a fucking kaisa is gonna get hit by a cho Q? lmao

Tr4shB4NSYST3MJul 21, 20191 votes

Valid point LOL, one thats already CC'd ;)

Meteora707Jul 22, 20191 votes

yes if you have your team to help you you can indeed kill an adc in a second.

Pierce The VealJul 21, 20195 votes

For that the Kai’sa pretty much has to afk/intentionally walk into his knockup+silence.

HàrrowRJul 20, 20193 votes

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No, Kai'sa doesn't kill a Cho'Gath in 0.6 second

Holy shit i wanted to comment this and im honestly amazed you're not downvoted to hell for saying that kai sa doesn't kill a full tank cho in 0.6 sec with just her Q.

Just wait till the board crazies find this comment and start arguing with you how she crits for 900 per auto

TrikzterzArmaJul 20, 20194 votes

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Holy shit i wanted to comment this and im honestly amazed you're not downvoted to hell for saying that kai sa doesn't kill a full tank cho in 0.6 sec with just her Q.

Just wait till the board crazies find this comment and start arguing with you how she crits for 900 per auto

"Omg, I were a 20 k hp Cho, and Kaisa pressed E and oneshoted me?? NERF"

Meteora707Jul 21, 20192 votes

ACHTUALLY if she has lethal tempo 3 infernal drakes, elder dragon, lulu, janna, nunu and yuumi with stacked rageblade and max dps build she can kill a full tank cho'gath in under a second

SpankyhamsJul 21, 20191 votes

cough KogMaw cough

HàrrowRJul 23, 20191 votes

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ACHTUALLY if she has lethal tempo 3 infernal drakes, elder dragon, lulu, janna, nunu and yuumi with stacked rageblade and max dps build she can kill a full tank cho'gath in under a second

Not if Cho has item 3157 hehe checkmate atheists

Caitlyn FTWJul 21, 20191 votes

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Meteora707Jul 21, 20191 votes

well actually, draven doesn't even need to crit to hit you for a 900

TheBrothersGrymmJul 21, 20191 votes

jhin? only adc you can literally hit 800 ad on ;) can crit for like 1.5k before fourth shot

HàrrowRJul 23, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yasashi Kokoro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=000300010002,timestamp=2019-07-21T03:30:19.057+0000)

No fucking adc crit 900 per auto lmfao. The only adc that get to 900 per auto is Cait and she needs a headshot for that.

Your reading skills are terrible "lmfao"

HàrrowRJul 23, 20191 votes

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No, Kai'sa doesn't kill a Cho'Gath in 0.6 second

8 dislikes on this comment show how crazy some people can be

AckelopeJul 20, 20197 votes

let me just say that her Q dealing a shitload of damage isn't really correlated to building manamune, the muramana effect doesn't trigger on each Q hit because that would be insane if it did, and was disabled a while back. It does a lot of damage simply because it's a high damage ability, scales with both AD and AP, and it is especially so if Kai'sa manages to get it to hit only a single target, as all of the shots will hit that one person.

Caitlyn FTWJul 20, 20197 votes

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Velzard of KozJul 20, 201931 votes

You claim Kai'sa to be the only good ADC and then proceed to claim Jinx dominates botlane.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Caitlyn FTWJul 20, 20194 votes

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FlashesJul 20, 20198 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yasashi Kokoro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T16:24:13.066+0000)

Yeah, because she is the only good one. Dominating doesn't mean she is good. Jinx is trash imo. Kai'sa is the only adc that feels right to play. Try playing Jinx and then play Kai'sa. Tell me which one feels right and which one doesn't...

Kai'sa feels right because she has a mechanic for everything. Need harass? Use W. Need to engage / disengage? Use E and enjoy the AS bonus. Need dueling power or waveclear? Use Q. Need a fat shield and/or repositioning? Ult. Passive is also great for extended trades so literally her only weakness right now is her range, which is only 25 less than some other popular ADCs, and on par with others.

Caitlyn FTWJul 20, 20192 votes

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FlashesJul 20, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yasashi Kokoro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T16:31:25.662+0000)

I am not even a Kai'sa main. I play Caitlyn most of the time. And let me tell you something, if they revert the trash adc items, Caitlyn would be way better than Kai'sa. The problem isn't Kai'sa. The problem is the trash items that Riot have reworked to nerf adcs. Kai'sa had a way to play aruond the cirt items rework which is not using them.

#Let's nerf every adc that doesn't use crit items, instead of reworking cirt items to be better

Bruh I played Caitlyn too and yeah you're right about the crit items and whatnot. The problem is that these items are played by multiple people so you can't just nerf the items when others are dependent on them, like Kayle.

Also it's not like Kai'sa is the most overbearing ADC in the game. That title goes to Sivir, for being able to do everything and having safety in her E. When is Riot going to actually make her not S+ tier?

LTK KoRoJul 21, 20192 votes

adc main and whining despite his class being strong, name a more iconic duo

Toxic TeetoJul 20, 20197 votes

Kai'sa is fine :)

Caitlyn FTWJul 20, 20192 votes

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Daddy AntsJul 20, 201914 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yasashi Kokoro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wP57jz79,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-07-20T17:05:38.531+0000)

#I know right?

Why aren't people complaining about JINX WHO IS WAY OVERPOWERED AT THE MOMENT?

#Why complain about Kai'sa who is perfectly balanced?!!!!

#These haters!

There's 4 ADC's I'd consider nerf worthy.

Sivir Ezreal Jinx Kaisa

Spear of JusticeJul 20, 20191 votes

My only problem with sivir is her spell shield. Because it's way too forgiving. If they would just make it like tf's blue card so it costs some mana but it gives back more mana then it costs that would be fine imo. Or at least the laning phase wouldn't be like: "Great she used her spell shield to get away from a hook, now we can kill her. (Except that she has a passive that helps her run away and our engage spell is on cd because she just blocked it)... and there she goes using her shield again for the 7th time now but we still didn't really achieve anything because it doesn't have any mana cost." Although at least most sivir players who just tend to spam the spell shield can be killed in the late game because of that.

Ezreal on the other hand. I hate him. It's so annoying that he scales so well that no matter how bad he's been doing early game once he gets his muramana stacked he can kill you in a full combo.

GripaAviaraJul 21, 20192 votes

Sivir without her spell shield would be the worst adc, as she has 0 escape, 0 cc. What actually makes Sivir strong is her jumping blades crit. That needs to be removed on champions

Spear of JusticeJul 21, 20191 votes

I'm not saying that they should remove it I'm just saying that it's too forgiving because it has no mana cost. If it would have like 40 mana cost and would restore 60 mana if it would absorb a spell it would be less annoying. And also I would say that the speed boost from her ult is an escape.

LookMyBigBrainJul 21, 20192 votes

i feel like sivir is fine, she is one of the only champions with no cc and she doesn't have any real mobility other than her ult

Heos00Jul 22, 20191 votes

I don't consider none of them nerf worthy tbh lmao, all adc's are hot trash from the top to the end, they only work with a duo and the right sinergy.

Probably it's more about that the game is extremely snowball right now that if they get their 3 item powerspike before anyone else gets their proper item power spikes it's just a massacre.

If you play any of them from behind or with a top/mid/jungler fed and you and the enemy bot laner are even, you will encounter that you do little to no damage to any champion.

Adc itemization is just a mess right now without any tanks, if they get fed it's a massacre with the right team, if they behind (or without any lead) they are just trash until their powerspike except of Vayne but she dies with the AoE on teamfights and the problem with her is PTA that (+ new R buff) suits her so good, again, so much damage from runes and r%%%%%ed buffs.

Daddy AntsJul 22, 20191 votes

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Adc itemization is just a mess right now without any tanks, if they get fed it's a massacre with the right team, if they behind (or without any lead) they are just trash until their powerspike except of Vayne but she dies with the AoE on teamfights and the problem with her is PTA that (+ new R buff) suits her so good, again, so much damage from runes and r%%%%%ed buffs.

Vayne is the only marksman besides Caitlyn and Twitch who actually needs 3 items to be a threat.

Jinx needs 2. Sivir needs 2. Trist needs 2. Draven needs 1. Lucian needs 1. Jhin needs like 1 or 2. MF needs 1. Ashe needs 2. Xayah needs like 2.

Heos00Jul 24, 20191 votes

I mean yeah, they all need 1-2 items taking in count if they are ahead of the enemy team, thats why i said it was a massacre if they ahead, but if they are'nt ahead then it is still very little damage if they dont buy infinity edge-essence reaver as 1st and 2nd and viceverse, it's like pretty incosistent damage since its % crit chance.

Emperor TalquinJul 20, 20196 votes

I agree. Her kit is overloaded and is almost impossible to itemize against. They should rip out mechanics in her kiy like they did to akali.

Let's not forget this is riot we're talking about. They don't like to listen to the community when it comes to nerfing money making champions.

FF20 MarshmallowJul 20, 20193 votes

like akali? im pretty sure the entire community called her overloaded including pro play, and guess what she got nerfed into the ground

FlameHalbrdOkidoJul 21, 20192 votes

Not to mention her kit doesn't even read like a Void symbiote suit marksman, more like a mech suit marksman, she needs an Irealia style rework she's not delivering on her fantasy at all. Its not really a surprise her design cannibalized a mech suit champion.

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/012/624/100/large/michael-maurino-husk-1.jpg?1535689110

see the similarities? My guess is that they had some major crunch time and didn't have time to come up with new unique abilities for Kai'saw once they decided to split Husk into Camille and Kai'sa; Husk was similar enough to Kai'sa and they just used the abilties from the canceled concept

they basically just made a sexy LCS big plays marksman that was purposely designed to emulate Vayne, that's not a good recipe, not to mention they couldn't pick a character direction stuck between Samsus, Laura Croft, and Kerrigan inspirations, which is why she has little personality.