Shyvana was nerfed due to the interaction between Devourer and Titanic Hydra, which allowed her to shred entire teams just by hitting the frontline.
Devourer was removed, Titanic Hydra was nerfed, and of course, Shyvana was left to fucking die on the street, because we at Riot do not like admitting mistakes, fuck you.
At least revert the fucking nerfs, the only reason for them to be in place does not exist anymore.
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
Meep Man4 votesGets buffed
"RITO WTF SHYV WASNT AN ISSUE! NOW SHE OP!"
M4DN35S1 votes[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wNZvOGfr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-27T01:33:57.722+0000)
Gets buffed
"RITO WTF SHYV WASNT AN ISSUE! NOW SHE OP!"
I would love to get my face clawed off by a Shyvana.
Sadly, every Shyvana I play against does not do nearly enough damage to ever bring me to low health, because she is only good in prolonged fights where she can get stack her maxhp damage.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesI would love to get my face clawed off by a Shyvana.
Sadly, every Shyvana I play against does not do nearly enough damage to ever bring me to low health, because she is only good in prolonged fights where she can get stack her maxhp damage.
Let's see... AoE magic damage, on hit flat magic damage, on hit 2.5% HP damage, a triple AA(Because you AA+Q) to triple proc Blade/Hydra/Bloodrazor/AD/Wit's end, In AoE in dragon form, super naturally tanky and all on a high movement speed champion with a leap ultimate who's cooldown is incredibly short with AS.
So with my build 220-250ish AD x3 20 flat magic damage x3 2.5% HP magic damage x3 4% HP physical x3 Titan or Tri-force/Steraks depending on build, so another 300dmg or about 30 x4 because Titan adds another AA reset.
Won't even mention Blade or Wit's End since I don't need to, that is already insane damage right there and they are more situational with the price increase to Blade and the situational use of Wit.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votes^^^ Her damage is pretty scary.
Especially when you get late game and trade out your jungle item with something like a 
. Good luck escaping from that dragon. 0_0
Many tried escaping me late game, didn't work out.
Best part is because of her passive you can build straight damage early game and can outduel most junglers in the early levels, depending on your passive and runes to equal early tank items.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votes^^^ Her damage is pretty scary.
Especially when you get late game and trade out your jungle item with something like a
Many tried escaping me late game, didn't work out.
I refuse to trade out Bloodrazor, it is love, it is life.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesAh well I build Cinderhulk instead of bloodrazor, only because I'm not yet confident enough to build moar damage.
I like a nice health buffer, but I've seen bloodrazor's stats. The thing can be scary with a champ that can stack on hit effects super well.
But something like 
wouldn't work right? But I bet a 
would work if you want to have extra CC.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAh well I build Cinderhulk instead of bloodrazor, only because I'm not yet confident enough to build moar damage.
I like a nice health buffer, but I've seen bloodrazor's stats. The thing can be scary with a champ that can stack on hit effects super well.
But something like
To get that fear out of you. Play like 3-4 normals in a row with a build like this.
Bloodrazor Triforce Sterak's Blade Wit's End Boots of Swiftness
Just for three games, to break the fear. Best way to teach somebody to swim is to throw them in the water.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesGood lord full damage? Okay I'll make a note of it. Although the lifestealy nature would force me to all in instead of running like a scared little dragon when I get half health.
Only Issue I have is that I'll get no mana from the Triforce but whatever.
By the way which item do you mean by blade? Rageblade or Blade of the Ruinined King?
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesGood lord full damage? Okay I'll make a note of it. Although the lifestealy nature would force me to all in instead of running like a scared little dragon when I get half health.
Only Issue I have is that I'll get no mana from the Triforce but whatever.
By the way which item do you mean by blade? Rageblade or Blade of the Ruinined King?
Ruined King.
The Triforce is specifically to get you use to full damage Shyvana. And with Sterrik's it actually adds about 300 damage to your burst. The movement speed, AD, health and attack speed is also fun. It isn't the best option for ranked, but it is fun. ;P
Another option old Shyvana
Blade of the Ruined King Ravenous Hydra Wit's End Replace Feral Flare/Madreds with new Bloodrazor GA Swiftness
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesWell, who needs to tank damage when you can 100-0 a squishy before they can use it? ;)
Ah okay, I'll but both items into an item list so I won't forget. I shall be brave and trust my damage and innate tankiness.
Completely unrelated, I got Shyv in ARURF yesterday, thought she would suck, especially because I happened to be up against a full AP team with range.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303025379/233261828?tab=overview
As it turns out when you know what you're doing you can kick butt. Those 8 deaths were all before I completed my tank items. I even got a godlike and my first Shyv S that game. :D
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesWell, who needs to tank damage when you can 100-0 a squishy before they can use it? ;)
Ah okay, I'll but both items into an item list so I won't forget. I shall be brave and trust my damage and innate tankiness.
Completely unrelated, I got Shyv in ARURF yesterday, thought she would suck, especially because I happened to be up against a full AP team with range.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303025379/233261828?tab=overview
As it turns out when you know what you're doing you can kick butt. Those 8 deaths were all before I completed my tank items. I even got a godlike and my first Shyv S that game. :D
That is a good build there. :D Obviously no jungle item. But overall is a solid Shy build. But for MR Wit's End tends to be better than Visage unless you have a healer.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesAh yes, because she can steal MR for a bit, making her attacks hurt more and their abilities hurt less. Ah I get it.
If I remember correctly I was saving up for Frozen Mallet. Don't ask me why, I main Brand with Rylais as core, I like permaslows. XD
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAh yes, because she can steal MR for a bit, making her attacks hurt more and their abilities hurt less. Ah I get it.
If I remember correctly I was saving up for Frozen Mallet. Don't ask me why, I main Brand with Rylais as core, I like permaslows. XD
Mallet is one of the best items on her. But you have to do full damage OuO
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesI should probably do full damage anyway lol, otherwise my team will think I'm tanking and will wait for me to initiate even though I have exactly 1 CC move, and that's not peel.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesI should probably do full damage anyway lol, otherwise my team will think I'm tanking and will wait for me to initiate even though I have exactly 1 CC move, and that's not peel.
My typical build is
Bloodrazor Titanic/Deadman's Zz'Rot/Deaman's Mallet/Deaman's Wit/Blade Boots
Altered per game situation.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesAh, I see. So I've noticed you've been experimenting with Ghost over Exhaust.
How's that been working?
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAh, I see. So I've noticed you've been experimenting with Ghost over Exhaust.
How's that been working?
Situational. Ghost is good against low lockdown comps who don't have strong duelists/dps champions. Ghost will give you more chase and escape, and let you get to team fights and objectives faster. Exhaust is great for counter jungling, against Yi for example I take exhaust and challenging smite, then walk on him. Exhaust is good against people like Yi, Lee Sin, Vayne, high DPS ADCs, high kiting champions. Flash is obviously good, but since Shy has such good movement and a free leap ult that has almost no CD it isn't super necessary.
Generally it depends on my plan, my enemies, my allies what I choose.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesoh okay. One last question and I'll leave you alone I promise. XD
My most recent game was a total stomp.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303422928/233261828?tab=overview
Their Diana was good, I kept her off early game by keeping my jungle warded and cleared so she wasted time trying to farm it, and even threw some wards top lane because our Fiora overextended without warding.
But once Diana got a couple kills she snowballed so hard and wiped us out.
So what what you have done in this situation? Like your build order or maybe just counterjungled? Because honestly I have never counterjungled before and although I have a pretty good idea of what to do, the last thing I want is to get caught out and give up first blood.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesoh okay. One last question and I'll leave you alone I promise. XD
My most recent game was a total stomp.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303422928/233261828?tab=overview
Their Diana was good, I kept her off early game by keeping my jungle warded and cleared so she wasted time trying to farm it, and even threw some wards top lane because our Fiora overextended without warding.
But once Diana got a couple kills she snowballed so hard and wiped us out.
So what what you have done in this situation? Like your build order or maybe just counterjungled? Because honestly I have never counterjungled before and although I have a pretty good idea of what to do, the last thing I want is to get caught out and give up first blood.
It starts at lvl one. I always smite the wolves and ward well for vision if I fear counter jungling. You have to counter jungle snowball junglers hard, so even if they get ganks off you are taking their farm and buffs away. you also need those early solo drags. Uhm, the end result is very situational. You can build duelist and focus on killing Diana, a wit's end is good against her, or build damage and mobility so you can split push, apply map pressure and buy a Zz'rot. It is hard to say without being in the situation myself.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesThat's all I needed, thanks for the help!
Calabok2 votesshe's fine.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesShyvana is fine. She has hovered around 49-51% winrate since the removal of devourer. That is ideal, it means she isn't OP or UP.
M4DN35S1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wNZvOGfr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-27T01:31:58.248+0000)
Shyvana is fine. She has hovered around 49-51% winrate since the removal of devourer. That is ideal, it means she isn't OP or UP.
She is balanced, yes.
Thing is: Balanced is not good enough.
Not in a meta when the average jungler is a fucking Kindred, and in which you can just go full tank, build a bloodrazor and bork, and shred everyone better than Shyvana ever could.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesShe is balanced, yes.
Thing is: Balanced is not good enough.
Not in a meta when the average jungler is a fucking Kindred, and in which you can just go full tank, build a bloodrazor and bork, and shred everyone better than Shyvana ever could.
Uhm... lol... no. There are few champions in the game who will 1v1 Shyvana without a gold advantage, level advantage or kiting. The first two are hard to get considering her clear speeds are arguably the best in LoL.
Mira Arya Enthe1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303720785/48865711 on a good day
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303728523/48865711 on a bad day
If I do well, I can carry. If I do bad, I can still be carried. That is how a champion should be. Believe it or not, champions are not suppose to be around a 54-55% win rate. Ideal would be 50%, meaning they win half of their matches. Though there are other factors to take into account, like play rate, ban rate and mechanical difficulty. But she is fine.
M4DN35S1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wNZvOGfr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-09-27T01:35:16.087+0000)
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303720785/48865711 on a good day
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2303728523/48865711 on a bad day
If I do well, I can carry. If I do bad, I can still be carried. That is how a champion should be. Believe it or not, champions are not suppose to be around a 54-55% win rate. Ideal would be 50%, meaning they win half of their matches. Though there are other factors to take into account, like play rate, ban rate and mechanical difficulty. But she is fine.
You know what?
Alright.
I will believe you.
Tell me how to play jungle Shyvana, because every time I play her every lane loses before I can get to the point where I can gank without getting memed on by one of the FotM tard picks that rito keeps making so the rich baddies can win.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesI kinda knew you'd be on this thread. ;) Just waiting for MrFawkinSunshine.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesI kinda knew you'd be on this thread. ;) Just waiting for MrFawkinSunshine.
ohai :3
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesHey!
Dark Nephthys1 votesYou guys are all talking about Jungle, and I start to feel like I'm the only person who still does Top Shyvana. Which is fine for me, I'm used to that feeling since I been doing it since Season 3 lol. I actually don't really like her Jungle, only because for me it feels like I'm not really offering anything to my team since her ganks are not very good. Then again, I don't jungle that much so I suck at it and don't feel confident in myself to really try to counter jungle which is what makes her a great jungler, so maybe that's why I always preferred her top.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesHey, I've been thinking about taking her top, but to me she feels like Garen with even less CC but more DOT. (I would know, I'm a pretty decent Garen.)
I'm learning Shyvana right now, and I actually find it easier to jungle because my team won't expect me to gank early, so that's less stress on me than if I played a jungler like Jax. Only issue is that I bring nothing to the table but more damage, so I have to depend on my team initiating then I jump in to clean up, kinda the opposite of what I do with Garen.
I actually beat a Shyvana top with Garen and proceeded to snowball and destroy everything, so I'm not too confident on taking Shyv top, but I'm sure she can do it if you get a melee matchup. Heaven forbid they send a Quinn top.
shudders
Dark Nephthys1 votesHey, I've been thinking about taking her top, but to me she feels like Garen with even less CC but more DOT. (I would know, I'm a pretty decent Garen.)
I'm learning Shyvana right now, and I actually find it easier to jungle because my team won't expect me to gank early, so that's less stress on me than if I played a jungler like Jax. Only issue is that I bring nothing to the table but more damage, so I have to depend on my team initiating then I jump in to clean up, kinda the opposite of what I do with Garen.
I actually beat a Shyvana top with Garen and proceeded to snowball and destroy everything, so I'm not too confident on taking Shyv top, but I'm sure she can do it if you get a melee matchup. Heaven forbid they send a Quinn top.
shudders
I feel Garen is a skill match up against Shyvana. If Shyvana has enough time to turn her burn out and hit her E on Garen before he silences her then Shyvana can win it depending on build/lead ofc. As for Quinn, I actually beaten a few Quinn before going AP Shyvana but that is not something you would do often lol but it is funny and can work.
Shyvana can do alright into most melee match-ups. For me the melee champions I can't beat as Shyvana top is 
. Though there are some other tough melee champions that to me are skill match-ups that you have to play a certain way to win against 
. Shyvana does pretty good into full tanks, so most of the time I'd only really play her top when I know their top laner is generally a tank or if I think I can win the match-up. I don't think I trust to really blind pick her anymore with the amount of ADCs or other annoying ranged champions that love going top lane.
Raiku Kawisa1 votesI'm really hoping they give Shyvana a proper small scale rework
M4DN35S1 votes[{quoted}](name=Raiku Kawisa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wNZvOGfr,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-09-27T08:07:06.290+0000)
I'm really hoping they give Shyvana a proper small scale rework
Honestly all I really want is for the Devourer-induced nerfs to be rolled back since Devourer does not exist anymore.
Raiku Kawisa1 votesEven still. Her playstyle is very binary. Powerfarm a lead and win, or fall behind and become useless.
M4DN35S1 votes[{quoted}](name=Raiku Kawisa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wNZvOGfr,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-09-27T14:48:57.872+0000)
Even still. Her playstyle is very binary. Powerfarm a lead and win, or fall behind and become useless.
That is every champion in league nowadays.
The game has become so fucking stompy it makes Dota comebacks look easy.
Raiku Kawisa1 votesYes, but Shyvana is an extreme case. If she doesn't have enough dmg AND tank to kill her target, the game is a 4v5. Shyvana can offer nothing while behind. No CC, no innate burst.