Thus far, jungle items have gotten a little snowbally - particularly for those who can snag a few kills on an early invade to get their upgraded Smite before camps have even spawned.
Who the *hell *is capable of pulling off something like that?
RedTrinketGoneHa40 votesOr Riot could have gone the smart route and said ok no tier 2 jungle item till 3:00 min but nope they have to further f*ck people like Evelynn, and weaker junglers up the arse. Ty rito for absolutely nothing.
ChrisB515 votesTHANK YOU, why can't Riot think of something like this? I could easily go "Well you know if a jungle gets an early game penta, the extra 100g is nothing to them." Am I being ridiculous? Um, yea, I am. But so is Riot in this situation. A time limit for the second tier item is a beautiful idea. I hope Riot sees this and awards you RP for the idea.
Circuit Bear6 votesIn all fairness on this one, despite being rather outspoken on Riot's design and choices with the game, this one might....
I was going to say that the technology for this might not exist in their engine, but now that I think about it, doesn't another time have a item.
LankPants3 votesIt could just be level bared to Lv 2 like the rank 2 trinkets were.
Ayame Isaki3 votesI came here to point out how hard this f*cks Eve, but you beat me to it!
lDontLiftIcarry8 votesNo one except ranked 5's/3's and everyone diamond+ so basically 3% of the entire community on every server like i said, no one.
Unreal18 votesSolution: Don't let the enemy jungler get multiple kills on an invade? Why should he not snowball if he's able to achieve that?
Skia Asteri1 votesSolution: Don't let the enemy jungler get multiple kills on an invade? Why should he not snowball if he's able to achieve that?
Actually they just need first blood (400 gold) to get the first upgrade.
Jesus is Savior1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skia Asteri,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wFFIE3M6,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-01-28T05:51:45.174+0000)
Actually they just need first blood (400 gold) to get the first upgrade.
Oh so it's 400 gold?
So Warwick will still be able to snowball off it because he buys no pots?
:D
Skia Asteri1 votesOh so it's 400 gold?
So Warwick will still be able to snowball off it because he buys no pots?
:D
The upgrade is now 450. It was 350, so first blood was more than enough to get it.
Blazing Tenshi8 votesInb4 sight stone price increase, if the support gets a kill after invading they can get a full sight stone before minions spawn.
Daetnas7 votesRiot nerfs Lee Sin...
By slapping around all weak clearing junglers and giving him a pat on the back. Well played Riot.
Undead Warchief7 votesRiot just likes nerfing teams who coordinate enough early game to get a lead. I mean come on don't you guys know this is an individual game
Miku Lv1016 votesWow lol. I thought this game was supposed to be competitive. So if you screw up really really really badly, you should be punished for it. If your team sucks so bad that you let the enemy jungler get a few kills before the jungle camps even spawn, you deserve to be punished for it. So Riot's reason they gave us is so god-awful.
Skia Asteri2 votes[{quoted}](name=Miku Lv101,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wFFIE3M6,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2015-01-28T15:23:12.754+0000)
Wow lol. I thought this game was supposed to be competitive. So if you screw up really really really badly, you should be punished for it. If your team sucks so bad that you let the enemy jungler get a few kills before the jungle camps even spawn, you deserve to be punished for it. So Riot's reason they gave us is so god-awful.
First blood is 400 gold. The upgrade was 350. They only needed one kill if it was the first.
Mikal Pikal3 votesSo isn't the problem that first blood is worth too much early? Instead of nerfing 90% of junglers why not reduce the value of first blood pre 2 minutes?
Skia Asteri2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mikal Pikal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wFFIE3M6,comment-id=001300000000,timestamp=2015-01-28T16:00:44.153+0000)
So isn't the problem that first blood is worth too much early? Instead of nerfing 90% of junglers why not reduce the value of first blood pre 2 minutes?
I was pointing out that you did not need a level 1 pentakill to get it, which would be extremely unlikely. Presumably Riot found that getting FB that early snowballed far harder on junglers than for laners. If not then yeah, there is no reason to change the upgrade price rather than FB gold.
mirAcIe5 votesWell, there goes all the Evelynn theorycrafting. And now she's officially harder to jungle with than Nidalee. Welp, another challenge...
Skia Asteri1 votesWell, there goes all the Evelynn theorycrafting. And now she's officially harder to jungle with than Nidalee. Welp, another challenge...
mirAcIe1 votesI'm not "late". I main Evelynn for 3 years straight now lol
Skia Asteri1 votesI'm not "late". I main Evelynn for 3 years straight now lol
To the theorycrafting on how to deal with the change you are. I worked it all out the day after the change hit PBE and made a video for it last night after they put out the patch notes.
mirAcIe1 votesOh okay. Well, I don't keep a lot of track to what's happening on PBE lately, and I'm still up to the challenge.
The Bearded Bard4 votesInvades happen all the time. yea it's a problem if you can get an upgraded smite before minions even spawn.
LastWildWonder3 votes[{quoted}](name=Corporal Cupcake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wFFIE3M6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-27T22:32:08.949+0000)
Invades happen all the time. yea it's a problem if you can get an upgraded smite before minions even spawn.
Yeah but what about the people who don't play ranked often if at all? they're getting kinda screwed over, especially non-sustain junglers, with this change. I can see your point I really can, but increasing the cost of the first machete upgrade is the wrong way to go about fixing it.
ZeroAnarchy3 votesThey do that all the time in high elo. Go watch someone in master+ 90% of the times there is an invade.
Raxistaicho27 votesThey do that all the time in high elo. Go watch someone in master+ 90% of the times there is an invade.
Master + is less than 1% of the playership in the game.
ShinigamiOtaku3 votesout of all the time ive been in the jungle, this has never happened. What in the fucking hell is riot talking about
Support Evelynn2 votesWow, you mean like how in previous seasons a jungler could immediately get a spirit stone? Or boots? Why did no one care then?
Magma Lux Mid1 votesBecause spirit stone didn't allow you to smite the enemy to massively slow them for an easy gank.
Orangesilk4 votes20% slow man, 20%.
Magma Lux Mid1 votes20% steal, so try running from that Lee or J4 then.
Gafugarion4 votesSo nerf Lee and J4, not every freaking jungle that already struggles in the new jungle.
Magma Lux Mid1 votesThose were just 2 examples off the top of my head. More examples: Vi, Udyr, Rek'Sai, etc.
ImHerVoice1 voteshow about No.
Rinky Dinky1 votesIt gives you 20% increased movement speed as well.
Effectively making it a 40% slow in a 1v1
Mecha MaIphite1 votesNot really, 40% slow would mean it takes them longer to run under tower.
Also, a 33% slow if we're calculating in relative to your own movespeed, because your MS after the steal would be 120%, while they're at 80%.
Rikkdawg2 votesI do not agree with cost increase. Keeping up with Laners in level is hard enough, without the team complaining you are not ganking enough and not winning their lane for them.
When do we have time to farm? and now our items cost more? GJ RITTO
Hyrum Graff2 votesIt's not a few kills, it's First Blood. FB was giving enough gold to upgrade to T2, which was snowballing the game. That makes this a good change.
It was also a change that creates problems with early clears for ALL junglers. That needs to be fixed -- IMO, the best way would be to buff machete so junglers get more hp/5 when they're fighting creeps, so they'll have the hp to clear another camp.
BringYourOwnPuma1 votesThis is going to practically destroy 
in the jungle. I already had difficulty clearing Gromp-->Blue-->Wolves now i'll have to B twice just to get my first jungle item, or chase a scuttle crab for a good minute.. idk what rito is thinking with this.. Meanwhile my 
continues to give no fucks because i dont need potions at all. Still can grab the 5m solo dragon and have a better start than almost all of the other junglers.. lol
Magma Lux Mid1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVQOMimRm6A
See if this helps you.
BringYourOwnPuma2 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVQOMimRm6A
See if this helps you.
A video where he gets an assist, a really good leash and is pre this patch is hardly useful. These are all tricks any good wukong in the jungle knows, and still doesn't change the fact that you're either B'ing twice or chasing a crab for a minute before you get the second tier jungle item.
Also: This video was taken before MASSIVE changes to smite, and gold income in the jungle.
TLDR: Dont use outdated material to try and tell someone to "L2P".
Amarøk1 votesthis didnt fix anything if the jungler gets a few kills before camps spawn which is next to impossible they will still have enough for tier 2 jungle item
Magma Lux Mid2 votesWell, now they need 2 kills, which is much harder than catching out that 1 person, getting first blood, and buying the upgraded smite.
Amarøk3 votesyeah but if a team works together to get that first blood i think at that point he porbably deserves it
Señor Karthus1 votesThe 3min solution seems the best imo. I don't see a problem with a successful invasion where not only has to go right for your team, but where it has to be the jungler the one who gets the first blood. Which is sometimes not easy in an invasion with a teamfight. Riot sees a problem where there is none.
You get invaded and you are less than them? Let them take your buff and take theirs instead. Or just be fucking smart. Or just pay the consequences if you invade and it goes wrong.
If they increase the cost of the tier 2 I don't think I will ever jungle again unless I play with 
or
Commando Yi1 votesthis is a terrible idea that hurts all junglers that need to recall after 3 camps
Studvader1 votesThis REALLY hurts my early Swaguani jungling =/
Left Hook Larry1 votesIf you invaded and got some kills why shouldn't you be allowed to have an advantage? I don't see a problem with it
ItsCalledALance1 votesWho the *hell *is capable of pulling off something like that?
teh fuck game is riot playing??
