Please stop complaining about Dynamic Queue

La Spork··4 votes·1,121 views

unless you are in diamond 1, master tier, or challenger.

There has always been this issue throughout human history -- blindly following authority. We've seen it in political elections, news bias, and now, League of Legends. You all need to understand, that when all of these pros band up to address dynamic queue as a gamebreaking issue, 99% of them are referring strictly to their own situation (in the aforementioned ELOs), which corrupts HIGH-LEVEL COMPETITIVE PLAY. I'll get more on to this in a bit. Despite a drastic increase in the quality of education over the last couple decades, some people are still going to fall for the fallacy of confirmation bias -- don't let that be you. Anywho, here are the main arguments against dynamic queue propogated by your average, mid ELO player:

I HAVE NO FRIENDS, SO I AM ALREADY AT A DISADVANTAGE This, for the most part, is entirely false. First off if you want people to play with, theres a great resource called team recruitment. However, if you are entirely dedicated to playing it solo, understand that in most ELOs, 2/3/4/5 man queues are segregated very neatly. Almost 100% of the time, a 5 man will play against another 5 man, a 4 man will play against another 4 man, etc. Even if you, by yourself, are playing against a 4 man, chances are you are playing with one aswell. As a platinum 1 player whos played a lot of dynamic queue in 5 mans, as well as by myself, I can tell you that I have not noticed games get any easier in 5 mans. Infact, i'd say they got SIGNIFICANTLY harder, because the enemy team is usually extremely coordinated just like ours is, and its very hard to find their 'achilles heel' under such a circumstance.

GREAT, NOW EVERY PLAYER IS GOING TO GET BOOSTED I still can't believe anyone argues this, as its been a thing ever since league of legends was conceptualized. First off, its not exactly easier to boost/ carry some noob to a high elo, because if you want to do it in a 5 man, you need 4 people who are willing to commit to this, which means more people would need to get paid. You'd also need all 4 of these people to be on at the same time. I actually believe it is significantly slower. The thing with boosting is that, as long as its possible for one person to be able to log on another person's account, it will never not be an issue. Even if the booster is going in entirely solo, they will win 9 times out of 10. And i'm assuming that this new soloqueue would include duo queue, which still makes it easy for people to carry other people to a certain ELO.

BUT WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO GET CARRIED BY THEIR FRIENDS This is a bit of a continuation off of the last two arguments. If 5 friends of a similar ELO are all playing with eachother, from my own anecdotal experience, the game does not get easier or more carry-like, as stated before. While one guy can get carried by his four friends who might all be smurfing, it will be no easier than one guy being carried by his one other friend who is smurfing in duo queue, which will be no easier than one guy giving his friend his account info. There's a certain theme here that i'd like to address: Just because there are more ways to do something does not necessarily mean said thing is easier to do. There are a lot of different roads and highways that you could take to get from NYC to cali but that doesn't mean it gets any easier to get over there -- there's still going to be a speed limit.

Now that we got those arguments out of the way, lets talk about the main reasons the actual pros talk so pessimistically about dynamic queue:

  1. Because of such a miniscule pool of players in high ELO, anything can happen. A challenger can be placed on the same team as a diamond 3. Here, the concept of 'picking 2 roles' is a much larger issue than in other ELOs because it can take hours to get into a game.
  2. Due to the aforementioned pool isue and time issues, full solo teams, or teams with maybe one duo on them, can be pitted up against a full on 5 man in high ELO. Riot, as an exception for high ELO, will make their system cheat even though they've stated its not supposed to do that. This, unlike the issue for most people, is truely unfair and gamebreaking, because the 5 man LCS team will win 99% of the time.

That's all I have to say. I know people will continue to complain about dynamic queue even when what they complain about doesn't match what the pros complain about, but i'm just trying to educate this community, even if slowly.

-Spork

12 Comments

Privileged Jew8 votes

The amount of arrogance radiating from this post is astounding. It's clear that because you made it to diamond league last season that this season you feel as though your opinions are more 'valuable' than the - how did you say it? - oh yes "average, mid ELO player".

Your argument regarding 4-man premades doesn't take into account the fact that the poor player who gets paired with these premades often gets picked on/mass reported by the rest of the group. You failed to take into account that Riot hasn't released the rate at which solo queue players get matched against 3-man premades. You failed to take into account the fact that the poor individuals whom do get the unfortunate experience of having to play against a 4-5 man premade as a team with either a smaller premade or a group of solo queuers are being screwed over. You failed to take into account that, with the advent of social groups, it becomes easy for a 4-man premade to pick out the person in the enemy team not a part of their 4-man premade as well and attempt to bully/farm him with knowledge that he isn't coordinated with the rest of the group via voice chat.

You failed to take into account that boosting a player doesn't have to be done with 4 other high-elo smurfs to be more effective than a duo smurf. You could have just two players carrying one in a 3-man premade and have it still be EXTREMELY more effective than one diamond smurf attempting to carry a game on his own.

You failed to take into account that your arguments suck.

GG.

La Spork1 votes
  1. I'm referring, in this post, to myself as a mid ELO player you moron, I just don't have the view that dynamic queue sucks.

  2. If you do not do anything wrong, the volume of reports does not matter.

  3. Those individuals are not being 'screwed over', and you saying that doesn't actually mean anything.

  4. Stop repeating yourself, you've said it once. People will get picked on no matter what in this game, /mute all is a great function. And once again, from anecdotal experience, I have never once experienced this 'being picked on by a four man premade' in well over 200 solo games this season.

  5. I don't think you understand how easy it is for a diamond, and much better a master tier, smurf to carry a game in elos below that, even by themselves. People seemed to just ignore that issue. Check this out, here are the stats of me when I was in gold ELO and was smurfing in a bronze 1/ silver 5 MMR back in season 4:

https://i.gyazo.com/569c24ee2ae9537ff38c947ce366a752.png

Smurfing has never been hard, so stop using it as an argument.

Privileged Jew2 votes

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  1. I'm referring, in this post, to myself as a mid ELO player you moron, I just don't have the view that dynamic queue sucks.

  2. If you do not do anything wrong, the volume of reports does not matter.

  3. Those individuals are not being 'screwed over', and you saying that doesn't actually mean anything.

  4. Stop repeating yourself, you've said it once. People will get picked on no matter what in this game, /mute all is a great function. And once again, from anecdotal experience, I have never once experienced this 'being picked on by a four man premade' in well over 200 solo games this season.

  5. I don't think you understand how easy it is for a diamond, and much better a master tier, smurf to carry a game in elos below that, even by themselves. People seemed to just ignore that issue. Check this out, here are the stats of me when I was in gold ELO and was smurfing in a bronze 1/ silver 5 MMR back in season 4:

https://i.gyazo.com/569c24ee2ae9537ff38c947ce366a752.png

Smurfing has never been hard, so stop using it as an argument.

Are you dumb? Valid question considering that you seem to be of the impression that diamond/high platinum is mid-elo.

Platinum as a whole has just 7.2% of the player population; diamond holds just 1.8% of the player population. Mid-elo appears to be somewhere between silver I and gold V for most players according to leagueofgraphs.com.

How are they not being screwed over by being matched up, as a team of solo players against 3-4-5 man premade probably on Ventrilo or Teamspeak?

You're right - people do get picked on in every game. Want to know which games I've heard people complaining about verbal abuse the most in? 4-man premades. If it increases toxicity towards a single player then it isn't a good thing. Muting someone should be a last resort because communication is important in this game beyond merely pinging. Asking someone if they need blue, or when they should do dragon can't be done via pinging alone.

I didn't repeat myself. Your reading comprehension skills are just lacking.

If personal experience is what you want to go off of, there was a post not too long ago which received well over 200 upvotes from a diamond player discussing how surprisingly difficult it was to smurf in silver elo solo due to the number of factors that were out of his control. He had several other diamond/platinum players affirming this in the comments section. Let me try to find it.

Ah, here it is. It has close to 800 upvotes. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/n3f5kn7V-as-a-diamond-silver-elo-is-surprisingly-hard

La Spork1 votes

Since you are just filling your post to the brim with ad homs i'm not going to bother responding to your other points.

I've seen that post numerous amounts of times, and each time it pops up i'm disgusted. First off, the reason it has such a large mass of upvotes is simply because most people on these boards are within that silver ELO range. They want to believe that it isn't their fault they can't climb, and want to blame it on other things.

As to the diamond who says that, I can agree that it isn't 100% guarantee'd that you will always get fed, but really, in silver, this game is nothing but easy. I have an alt that I have specifically to troll on that is gold 5 with silver MMR and at any point that I want to, I can just go ahead and go on a 5 game win spree simply through outcarrying everyone else.

ValyrianBlade6 votes

The problem may be as much about having to play with the 3/4 man as it is playing against them.

I believe also, that a solo player has less impact than each of the members of a 4 man premade in a game with two such premades. The premades are communicating, making decisions, etc... without the solo player. So in a 5v5 solo game where the solo player would have carried due to being the best individual player, he may not be able to in a game with two 4 man premades.

Axests3 votes

funny considering numerous high elo players have complained about dynamic queue because of universal problems at all elos

EIven Rope3 votes

Dynamic Q is terrible. You just enjoy getting boosted. Feelsbadman.

La Spork1 votes

You are an idiot.

Fovere2 votes

+1 To Triple K Mafia for attempting to deal with this guy.

Dynamic queue both undermines the relative balance/stability in games, as well as the gaming experience itself. It is not fun to be thrown in with premade groups as a solo players, and its less so when we aren't even going to be given a choice now.

If there is concern that given a choice between solo and dynamic queue, so many solo players would avoid dynamic such that it would hurt the queue times in that queue, then Riot is basically saying they are going to sacrifice the experience of one group for the minor benefit of another. It's not as if there isn't ranked for 5 man premades, or even 3 man --> treeline, so this isn't really about letting friends play together competitively.

La Spork1 votes

get out of my thread then please, no ones dealing with me, i'm trying to put up with the general populace of the boards which consists of a bunch of LOW INTELLECTUALS AND APES.

La Spork1 votes

If you are going to downvote so hectically, atleast provide a reason why, thanks!

HannahOfPiltover1 votes

Agree with most of your points, but here is why I want solo Q:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9YB8OrXm-where-is-solo-q

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