Gravelord Azir is slightly P2W.

La Spork··15 votes·3,533 views

Hello all, I am Drift God, your resident Azir main. I've been playing the champ on both of my accounts through all of the buffs and nerfs, and I'd say I have a fair amount of knowledge with him.

Something I noticed about this new skin, is that it isn't just a 1350 RP skin. You see, Azir himself is a really buggy and messed up champion. The new skin, however, has graphics and visuals that actually greatly aide one's ability to use sand soldiers. If any Azir players know what i'm talking about feel free to add to this.

I'd describe it as a much more 'crisp' feeling. With the default/ galactic skins right now, Qing onto a target from a range has a very weird and misleading feel, and it can often times seem that you missed when you really hit.

I know this sounds like one of those 'psychological' things with skins, but trust me: I own so many skins i'm unphased by their effects. I actually notice a very strong difference between this skin and default, though. I don't find this suprising, as Azir has been coded very oddly, and is very volatile to a bunch of bugs and improvements from just about anything.

TL;DR - Azir's new Gravelord skin will most likely improve your gameplay with Azir, and the general feel of the champion, beyond the effects of just owning a skin. Therefore I can conclude this does go down in the list of P2W skins (Which include ones like Pulsefire Ezreal and iBlitzcrank. Funny these skins are all high cost right?).

50 Comments

Abyssphere13 votes

"Funny these skins are all high cost right?"

Well not really considering expensive skins are the most different from the base, meaning they're naturally the most prone to having advantageous differences. It's less funny and more obvious.

WarlockLaw2 votes

Frostfire Annie and Justicar Syndra aren't the most expensive skins for them

Spaceman5pff8 votes

Steel Leigion Lux Invisi-E

Meep Man5 votes

Arclight Varus and Vel'Koz are super P2W! Yellow so bright, can't even see it. I remember sometimes hiding my W as Arclight Vel in other effects because its so hard to see at times.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Also Star Guardian

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Basically every non-commando lux skin is p2w Kappa

Vekkna1 votes

Isn't the invisible E bug on Spellthief? I thought people used Steel Legion because of the blue indicator on ulti having a longer player reaction time plus the narrower projectile visual on Q.

Kitten of Evil2 votes

The E is harder to see, and the Q and W look a lot more similar than on the normal skin.

Jofeyy5 votes

Underworld TwistedFate on ARAM is super P2W. You cant see his cards.

1000angrybees1 votes

That's always been my issue with that skin. His Q is annoying because sometimes you simply can't see the cards very well against certain backgrounds.

Ionian2 votes

We need a P2W Ahri skin now.

Unpaladin2 votes

Popstar Ahri is pay to win, your opponent can't play the game with 2 hands :^)

CubedJustice2 votes

I don't know what you're on about, I always play with both hands.

Ionian1 votes

Guess every Ahri skin is P2W then...

alfavhunter1 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1XM8gs00,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-02T13:54:59.058+0000)

We need a P2W Ahri skin now.

Nude ahri

GG ahri wins enemy team can only play with 1 hand now

Spoofghoul2 votes

Nude illaoi Nude urgot

Pay to win all enemies turn screen off

Nanuk Pihoqahiak2 votes

Tyrant Swain when it was released giving Swain infinite mana. Lol.

KaisadiIIa1 votes

What happened to it?

Spaceman5pff1 votes

They fixed it.

KaisadiIIa1 votes

I know, I was asking for what the infinite mana bug was though.

Grashnim1 votes

You mean like Underworld Twisted Fate? The invisible Nidalee spears? etc... Welcome to Riot Skins.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

No... That isn't what he means :s Did you read the post?

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Like the Brand one. He flails his arms when walking towards people (even if they are invis in bushes).

CROW OFFENDER1 votes
PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

What do you mean?

CROW OFFENDER1 votes

Read the reddit post, it explains that the zombie brand walk animation is relative to the client. The spectators of the game however will see him walking towards someone because it's a viewer bug. It isn't exploitable.

Xicashina1 votes

And noone mentions that slayer jinx's new traps are camo

Stars Shaper1 votes

Do you mean that GL Azir charge animation is closer to the soldiers hit area compared to his base and galactic skin?

La Spork1 votes

Thats one part of it yes.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Then I would ask for more insight on the matter. The way you exposed it on the Opening post is really foggy for me.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1XM8gs00,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-12-02T14:40:05.787+0000)

Then I would ask for more insight on the matter. The way you exposed it on the Opening post is really foggy for me.

^second this guy.

It sounds maybe like you're saying this skin is easier to play as, not harder to play against. If that's true, I think Azir's other skin/base need a little tweaking to make them feel better.

CubedJustice3 votes

If the skin is just cleaner to use and less cluttered, that's not pay to win, it's just the only option that isn't broken.

It Is I Emoto1 votes

You mean, players clarity of azirs soliders will be better if they play with his new skin? I mean, I began recently to pick him up and he sure is relatively hard to master.. But i watched a gameplay of gravelord azir, and it really seemed like that the player had a better playing experience with azir? Despite the skin having a cool theme, it still kinda does not intrest me that much lmao

Old Man Teeto1 votes

Another skin that will be unusable in pro play due to giving a competitive edge.

Gj Rito.

Teslablade1 votes

I'm buying Azir with IP today and the skin with it

MToTheAtrix1 votes

You go Spork! haha Braum

Keti1 votes

Battle cast cho has a super smooth aa animation compared to his default. Much easier to cs on and I've always felt it was p2w kinda.

Aziriously1 votes

As a fellow Azir main, I'm really happy to hear that since I'll be picking up the skin soon. Hope you're right~

Tengrichan1 votes

Too bad he still has bugs that affect his gameplay negatively.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Meanwhile Infernal Nasus is still P2L

Best Valor NA1 votes

wait how.

Only Play Darius1 votes

He drops the Q noticeably slower on his Infernal skin. It makes it feel more impactful but there should be some cooldown compensation. Its only a few milliseconds difference but it adds up when you are stacking Q, and also makes timing your last hits harder early game.

Best Valor NA1 votes

Ahh didn't know, thanks :b

Catastrop1 votes

Underworld Twisted Fate and his cards that didn't hit you but did.

The Evil Spleen1 votes

My best friend says the same thing for Kayle 's Aether Wing skin. And he gives a similar response. That it feels smoother and less clunky when you are auto attacking. I own about 5 or so kayle skins, including Aether Wing, but I don't seem to notice a difference. I just play aether wing anyway cause it is her best looking skin IMO.

KaisadiIIa1 votes

For me the difference between Blackfrost Anivia's basic attack and her base basic attack is quite noticeably. I think I farm a lot easier with Blackfrost skin.

Auryiel1 votes

Snowday Ziggs on ARAM

lmfao it's so broken

But what you're describing really does feel like a psychological effect. Kinda like how CS'ing as Blackfrost Anivia feels way easier... Except a Rioter once confirmed that he had looked at the coding used for the auto attack on both base and Blackfrost Anivia and it was the exact same thing.

I've bought Gravelord but haven't played it yet, so I can't speak about this specific skin.

FiniteParadox221 votes

I'm guessing it's just psychological but on Super Galaxy Rumble I feel it's a smoother AA animation and while fighting it's easier to tell how overheated (assuming you are tunneling and can only see him endlessly saying this is how a Yordle rolls as he spins the the ashes of your enemies) you are due to the more progected change in visuals of his abilities

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Also there was a long time where it had 10 more base damage on Flamespitter

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