Can you please revert Lee Sin's W buff as well?

BeatzBoyFTW·Dec 13, 2016·43 votes·2,316 views

Cz when you see a majority of Lee Sin players rushing instead of , you know that he has unbalanced jungle sustain.

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bbQsauçeDec 13, 20168 votes

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BeatzBoyFTWDec 13, 201622 votes

Found the Lee Sin main.

Enjoying your freelo?

bbQsauçeDec 13, 201620 votes

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Shaco my BFFDec 14, 20164 votes

Rengar and Hecarim freelo? What league? Bronze?

DracocrashDec 13, 20166 votes

lee sin is hardly freelo, lmao.

To win games as lee you have to be somewhat good, no matter how much you cry, there is one fact. He takes skill.

JoseraphDec 14, 201610 votes

Basically ward hopping?

Jaygo41Dec 14, 20162 votes

Clearly people can't do that very well, he'd win more games.

DracocrashDec 14, 20161 votes

42% winrate for beginers that scales.

He may be op in an experianced person hands, but you NEED to practice. You cant just hop into a ranked game for "freelo" with lee sin.

ShadragonDec 14, 20162 votes

He takes about as much skill as any other champion in the game with a skillshot. His fancy insec combo is not a requirement for his success, and it's not as difficult as it's made out to be either.

RavenMagusDec 14, 20163 votes

Lee Sin's not freelo. He's dumb, but he's not freelo - that's Hecarim Zac

TyroneWatermelonDec 14, 20161 votes

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Found the Lee Sin main.

Enjoying your freelo?

He's not free Elo,he's just easy mode to get kills with and fuck up people's day,just like assassins

O Fallen ScholarDec 14, 20161 votes

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Found the Lee Sin main.

Enjoying your freelo?

Lee is not freeelo dude. Sure he looks OP on paper but as a matter of fact you need some mechanical skill. The problem is that many players think he is faceroll jungler so they play him all the time. They're wrong though and feed their ass off.

Synnx7Dec 13, 20166 votes

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No.

Yes.

SalronDec 13, 20167 votes

What correlation does tiamat have with his W? There is only 1 correct respose to this

SaiannaDec 13, 20163 votes

Lee Sins W gives him shield, lifesteal, spellvamp and 2x 40% AS. There is simply no need to get jungle item ASAP, if he can sustain just by his ability.

THUS He can build tiamat that will help him clear jungle faster

Here's your "only 1 correct" answer

SalronDec 13, 20162 votes

{quoted} THUS He can build tiamat that will help him clear jungle faster

Here's your "only 1 correct" answer

Yes That is the reason Even without the W buffs, he's rushing tiamat because raptors are a nightmare to clear without it

SaiannaDec 13, 20161 votes

Not just for him though.

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Dec 13, 20161 votes

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What correlation does tiamat have with his W? There is only 1 correct respose to this

I was thinking of something a lot different that only people who were around that time would get it. item 3077 Jax

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Spice POWAHDec 14, 20161 votes

...would he attack so fast he'd lag the game? I don't get it otherwise...

Backup4nowDec 14, 20161 votes

im guessing he's referring to the tiamat glitch where melee characters could crash the game just by buying it and using it under certain conditions, avoiding losses by using it

BisaknospDec 13, 20163 votes

seeing lee easily doing solo drake during early stages of the game

you know something is wrong when lee is soloing drake before he even hits lvl 9 and comes out of the pit with 80-90% hp

SaiannaDec 13, 20161 votes

But panth was nerfed for that, cause he wasn't Lee enough :P

LeetriDec 13, 20162 votes

Pantheon did it at level 2 and barely took any damage at all. Lee Sin wasn't even in the same league as Panth at dragon clearing.

SaiannaDec 14, 20162 votes

Yeah, but Riot made sure Panth won't pull the same thing even when he's level 8~~

They 1. changed Draco damage type and 2. slowed Panths AS. Kinda Bs uneccessary gutting of unique/rare build if you ask me

ModAcademy KaynDec 14, 20161 votes

Early Dragon taking is an unnecessary strength for Pantheon, when he remains the lane bully he is. People like Nunu have early drag taken into their power budget, and you sacrifice other things for it.

Backup4nowDec 14, 20162 votes

Assuming what he said was true, that means they both removed his ability to solo dragon (dragon's autos are spells now, they pop spellshield and aren't avoidable with autoattack-avoiding abilities), and then nerfed him as well. The first addresses the issue with early dragon takes, the second is just an unneeded nerf.

TwinkieProDec 13, 20161 votes

Yorick can solo rift herald at 6. Guess we should nerf him then?

BeatzBoyFTWDec 13, 20163 votes

Assuming sheeps would actually pick Yorick over Riven, Lee Sin & Yasuo.

TwinkieProDec 14, 20163 votes

So is this about a champ being strong or being picked too often for your own taste?

Baron PerenoldeDec 14, 20161 votes

Vi can solo drag at level 3 with a machete.

Handin Out NapsDec 14, 20162 votes

That's not a lee problem. Kha does it, Rengar can do it, Hecarim just straight up goes Trinity. Its because it helps them aoe down camps and clear them faster, champions really shouldn't have a problem clearing after 1st clear anyway so I dont see a problem.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 14, 20161 votes

rengar doesnt do it anymore. kha does it because he has no aoe damage. and hes a bad clearer.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 14, 20161 votes

Probably the Tiamat needs to have its Cleave passive removed like it used to.
Lee Sin's W buff at Patch 6.18 has absolutely nothing to do with balance at all. It's mainly because Lee Sin was not seen much at Worlds & LCS, while ignoring the fact that Sejuani, Sion, Udyr & Nautilus has worse pickrates than Lee Sin himself. Talk about double standards.

DracocrashDec 14, 20162 votes

this shows me how much knowledge you actually have.

The lee W change was to compensate for the fact that they removed spellvamp procs from smite. Before lee could heal of smite, now he cant, and they compensated the change with a buff on his W.

I dont agree with the change, but dont spout BS propoganda to get upvotes from sheeps.

A Basic IslandDec 14, 20162 votes

lee's not the only champion that ignores jungle item until after tiamat

DoradoDec 14, 20161 votes

The only reason tiamat is being rushed on all ad junglers is because of the lack of aoe in their kits and the amount of small monsters that are now in the jungle.

EROTIC RAID BOSSDec 14, 20161 votes

isn't it just on use on allies that got buffed?

but Tiamat is actually the problem in the new jungle, tons of junglers are picking it up first

OyddAWqJ5rDec 14, 20161 votes

Though I agree with screw the unneeded W buff I must say the reasoning isn't quite up to par. Almost every AD heavy jungler rushes item 1041 -> item 3077 , especially Lee. Reason being item 1039 is more or less a waste of gold since all it is is mana sustain and 5 hp per sec per procced monster (the xp bonus doesn't stack). The thing that reduces monster damage the most though is killing them faster, along with gaining xp and gold far quicker. Tack on the fact that Lee Sin doesn't use mana and quite frankly item 1039 is a painful purchase. So it makes sense that they'd skip the extra 650g needed to create a health-less sightstone in return for better clear and sustain.