In the current Meta, how toxic would Deathfire Grasp be?

Ahri Body Pillow·Jul 23, 2017·17 votes·2,318 views

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Dark NephthysJul 23, 201715 votes

Well considering that it seems like item 3146 is kind of the old DFG even though item 3285 was suppose to be the new DFG, it would be pretty scary to have it back. Idk if I'd want to face an AP Assassin with DFG + item 3100 item 3135 item 3020 . Then again a build like that would miss out on item 3157 item 3089 item 3102 so there would be at least some trade offs for those damage.

The reason why I said Gunblade was basically the replace for old DFG, I've been seeing a lot more mages picking it up now since it's active is so strong that it's basically a free spell. We all saw Leblanc using it before, but I have seen other mages picking it up and spamming it recently.

But even if Gunblade wasn't in that section, having DFG + Luden's Echo + Thunderlords might be to much together and you could even add in item 3152 in if Gunblade wasn't added in. I'd say we wait to see what the pre-season and the new runes/masteries before we start thinking about if we want DFG back or not lol

EschetonJul 23, 201713 votes

Syndra pops DFG and ults a fed Cho'Gath while he noms her. They kill each other.

Dominick DestineJul 23, 20176 votes

It would mean the return of Evelynn, the reinforcement of Ahri and ... probably the only real gamebreaker would be Gragas.

ShadòwJul 23, 20176 votes

Syndra LUL

FearlessCreatorJul 23, 20173 votes

veigar

SB ArneemanJul 24, 20171 votes

Veigar already easily oneshots, same with Syndra. Champions like Ahri and Leblanc would be the real problem.

Devilreaper XIIIJul 23, 20176 votes

deathfire grasp stats below

+120 ability power +10% cooldown reduction Active Unique: Deals 15% of target champion's maximum health in magic damage and applies the debuff, Doom. Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. 90 second cooldown (750 range).

DaNinadJul 23, 20171 votes

That looks a bit overpowered. What was the cost?

AwesomeGuyDjJul 23, 20171 votes

2170 g. But it was only considered 94% gold efficient. But i remember hearing that to be a good mage, you had to be able to abuse it. Cant? Well sucks to be you! Your not viable!

DanjengJul 23, 20178 votes

Where did you get 2170g from? It cost 3300g from what I can remember in season 3. Also, 2170g is well over the gold efficiency you stated for the amount of AP it gives.

AwesomeGuyDjJul 23, 20173 votes

I read the sell amount by mistake.

Devilreaper XIIIJul 23, 20171 votes

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That looks a bit overpowered. What was the cost?

3100G

AlienPrimateJul 23, 20171 votes

Here is a video of it in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miCoRVdOiqk

Its All SkillzzJul 23, 20174 votes

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Here is a video of it in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miCoRVdOiqk

that was just old gragas being busted as fuck.

Ahri Body PillowJul 25, 20171 votes

The issue with DFG in ye olde days was that many assassins (and even some mages Annie Syndra Veigar ) had extremely fast burst combos and amping their damage by 20 percent led to ridiculously fast assassinations with little to no window to react. However, due to assassin reworks expanding that window and percent damage reduction stacking, I don't think that DFG would be all that bad right now. It could really offer something to build when the enemy team has knights vow and phantom dancer/Deaths Dance.

ArthastheicekingJul 23, 20173 votes

120 ap was "normal" for that time right?

DurzakaJul 23, 20174 votes

yeah. Everything that built out of a Needless was 120 ap.

morris1Jul 24, 20171 votes

Zhonya's golden age (no pun intended)

Automated RivenJul 23, 20171 votes

I would prefer the old one. It was the same stats I believe but the active did 25% of the targets max health and scaled with like 4% per 100 Ap. I remember it getting to like 50% of the targets max HP.

Reaper SorakaJul 23, 20174 votes

A lot of games mages wouldn't last long enough to press the extra button.

But the forums would complain about annie again.

Automated RivenJul 23, 20171 votes

hell ya they would .. hang on lemme edit an earlier post.

Also ap poppy with dfg was epic. step one, ult adc. step 2 dfg q midlaner (they die) step 3 zhonyas and wait for q cooldown (2.5 seconds.) step 4 flash q adc (they die) step 5 Profit??

Evil YasuoJul 23, 20173 votes

It'd actually be pretty useful imo.

DunkinNoobsJul 23, 20173 votes

The lack of DFG is the exact reason champs like Ahri, Kat, and Leblanc are now rushing Gunblade. A bunch of extra burst on an item is super good on champs with already have solid burst. This is part of why Duskblade is so strong, btw.

SeenanJul 23, 20179 votes

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The lack of DFG is the exact reason champs like Ahri, Kat, and Leblanc are now rushing Gunblade. A bunch of extra burst on an item is super good on champs with already have solid burst. This is part of why Duskblade is so strong, btw.

Pretty sure Kat always rushed GB.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 23, 20177 votes

I never saw it on her before the assassin rework. Akali, yes, but never Kat.

ShadowParkerJul 23, 20171 votes

I saw it all the time

DunkinNoobsJul 23, 20171 votes

Old Kat didn't back when DFG existed.

Automated RivenJul 23, 20171 votes

To be fair old kat only got DFG if she was fed. DFG over zhonyas or rylies was considered such a troll build that people posted videos on youtube of how OP it was and the evidence was that they had 10 kills when they completed it and it snowballed out of control. Rylies rush on kat was far more common then dfg rush.

zaire90Jul 24, 20172 votes

After rework yes but before that never even used the item

MLDzXnRRRJul 24, 20174 votes

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Pretty sure Kat always rushed GB.

Only in silver... and before her rework years ago. Good Kata players used to rush DFG or Void staff.

Asayake 5150glowJul 24, 20171 votes

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Pretty sure Kat always rushed GB.

Well - since DFG was removed pre-rework, and pre-rework Kat rushed Ludens... :P

BlakiepugJul 23, 20172 votes

I first read that as Deathfire Touch and thought you were asking if they reverted the AD scaling nerfs, making Jhin an even bigger monstrosity than he already is. Deathfire Grasp would be amazing, we need more AP items. :(

Omnem OccidoJul 23, 20172 votes

I remember when Leblanc and Kassadin had a deathgrip on midlane AP assassins. Between the broken fucking silences and the stupid quick burst, that era was cancer at its finest.

yesnobananaJul 23, 20172 votes

YOU GET ONE SHOT, YOU GET ONE SHOT, EVERYONE GETS ONE SHOT!

######one shot intensefies#####

Sinful SorcererJul 23, 20172 votes

It never was toxic, it was a fun item in a game that wasn't entirely focused on competetive play. League is nowhere near the same game as it was 2009. The sad irony is that there are items in the game now that are far stronger than DFG ever was.

Ty DFG. item 3070 Veigar

NineTailedMysticJul 23, 20172 votes

It's an item that enabled Ahri to actually kill squishies with W RRR Ignite. No thanks.

Its All SkillzzJul 23, 20172 votes

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It's an item that enabled Ahri to actually kill squishies with W RRR Ignite. No thanks.

pretty sure she can still do that.

NineTailedMysticJul 24, 20171 votes

Nope. Cannot, especially after the W and R nerfs.

Ahri Body PillowJul 25, 20171 votes

Which is why she probably wouldn't be able to do it with DFG in her current iteration.

NineTailedMysticJul 25, 20171 votes

idk, the %max HP magic damage + amp makes it a lot more likely, if not available at higher HP values

YoRHa 2BJul 23, 20171 votes

Can someone explain to me what this item did in-game?

Scary DoorJul 23, 20171 votes

I want it back so I can build it on Garen, especially now his gimmicky ult. Yes, please.

Athenes LuluJul 23, 20171 votes

When item 3147 have met its AP match.

xReverieJul 23, 20171 votes

I started playing after they removed this item. Do want!

Bouncemaster ZacJul 23, 20171 votes

It would be a wasted item slot. See, everyone oneshots everyone as it is anyway, so a "oneshot someone" button that doesn't give any utility would be worthless.

Techfusion7Jul 24, 20171 votes

Ah dfg. How much I miss you wel at the same time am glad your gone. It was fun to dfg R one shot people as veigar but it was waaaaay less fun when it happened to you.

Popstar AhriJul 24, 20171 votes

Mages have been strong and more efficient than Assassins were so...

SB ArneemanJul 24, 20171 votes

It would be completely broken. 120 ap in itself is very powerful, and the active is busted on some champions. With the added cdr, the gold efficiency is insane. It would make Ahri, Leblanc, Kassadin etc completely broken.

Ahri Body PillowJul 25, 20171 votes

Well some tweaks could be made. And I don't know, with the percent damage reduction stacking going on, it might not be that bat at all.

C9 Scott Free Jul 25, 20171 votes

NOt at all