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Conqueror is worth 3600 gold.

LAZ4RUS·4/4/2018, 2:16:37 AM·4 votes·1,585 views

My last game I played Sion. The Fiora with conqueror was MELTING me even though I was full armor vs a full AD team, so I decided to do some calculations to see just how good Conqueror is on these fighter/bruiser type champions. FYI - These calculations only include auto attack damage numbers that are not increased or decreased by any effect other than conqueror, damage reduction via armor, and Black Cleaver(my control item). I had 3265.64 HP and 233 armor at level 16. This means I would take about 30.03% of all incoming damage (100/100+armor). Fiora had 260.8 AD at level 16. When conqueror was active she would be dealing 115.38 hp per auto, 52.16 true damage per auto and 63.22 physical damage. Calculation - (260.8*.20) + [(260.8*.80).3003], so effectively it took the Fiora 28.30 auto attacks to kill me from full hp. With Black Cleaver instead of conqueror, lets give her 265.8 AD(added 5 to remove conqueror and add black cleaver). Armor would be reduced to 177.08 (would be taking 36.09% incoming physical damage) at max Black Cleaver stacks. Fiora would here be doing about 95.93 damage(265.8.3609) per auto so it would have taken her 34.04 auto attacks to kill me from full hp. Here's why it's really broken, for Fiora to have this AD and have Black Cleaver in this game she would have had to spend another 3000 gold to get black cleaver! It takes 6 less autos to kill me with Conqueror which makes conqueror about 17% more effective than Black Cleaver at the same task. This makes Conqueror worth around 3510 gold on the right champions(due to the stats gained from building tri force second). It allows her and other bruiser/fighters to go Ravenous Hydra -> Tri Force and basically hit their 3 item spike at 2 items. No other keystone is even 10% this powerful on any of their respective users.

22 Comments

redniwediS4/4/2018, 3:16:33 AM2 votes

The true damage is a conversion of regular physical damage, so against a low armor target it might as well not be there.

If you really had to beat her one on one you probably shouldn't have invested so much of your gold into armor. Raw health with a focus on damage might have been more effective.

That said Fiora is a special something, and I personally enjoy banning her when I play.

Freewalker4/4/2018, 3:06:20 AM2 votes

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No other keystone is even 10% this powerful on any of their respective users.

Dark harvest can sometimes lead to a nuclear late game, but I agree. Conqueror's true damage is absurd for melee champs. True damage has no counterplay, so it doesn't matter if you're a tank or a squishy, a top laner can shred through anything that doesn't kill it first, and the top laner is often the one who needs true dmg dealt to.

I'm a support main, so I don't see top lane often, but when I do I keep seeing all this true damage on my death summary. Tbh, I find that it's not the matter of giving the true dmg, but I think that Conqueror gives it too often.

Hemulen Magi4/4/2018, 2:33:17 AM2 votes

It might be overpowered but fighters seem to need it in order to compete with marksmen at the moment. I looked up the game in your match history and that Fiora still did less damage to champions than the marksmen on either team even though she does true %hp damage and was laning against an hp stacking tank. Fiora is riskier to play as than a marksman and she just offers damage without much CC/utility. Conqueror is power creep but it might be a necessary evil until Riot goes through with their plans to rework bot lane and marksmen.

C9 Squeeky 4/4/2018, 4:59:38 PM1 votes

Vitals deal max % HP true dmg, she destroys tanks. True dmg has more value the more armor (or MR) the target has because it is negating/ignoring all of their resistances, making their gold spent less efficient.

LAZ4RUS4/4/2018, 10:34:17 AM1 votes

Would you all rather my analyze the Yasuo. From the same game and his damage output with/without conqueror?

LAZ4RUS4/4/2018, 3:11:10 PM1 votes

In order for her to deal that much damage to me, without having the 20% true damage, she would have to have 384.22 AD. As she doesnt have any armor pen or shred, it is basically the equivelant to gaining 123.42 AD. By the gold efficiency standard that 10 AD is worth 350 gold(longsword), this makes conqueror(yes I know it is only in situations vs tanks, but that's kinda the poimt of all this) is, efficiency related, worth 4320 gold in this situation. The Yasuo from the same game would have had 356.2 AD with conqueror active. With his 100% crit and 225% damage on grits he would have been dealing 352.83 damage per auto ,160.29 true damage per auto and 192.54 physical famage per auto, without taking into consideration the armor pen he had from last whisper and 9 auto attacks to kill me. 45.4% of his actual damage dealt is via true damage.

Rexxiee4/4/2018, 3:11:48 AM1 votes

Here we go again with the low elos thinkin that conqueror is good lol.

Its not good, in fact most champs have lower WR with it than with another keystone, in high elo almost nobody is using it anymore save from very few champs taht have nothing better to use.

It needs a buff its kind of too weak early game.