So was watching my friend play yasuo and he uses his wind wall on the kurgs to get vision on them so he can dash to them. I thought huh didnt know his wall granted him vision. So then that got me thinking why does yasuo's wind wall grant him vision but anivia wall and trundle pillar vision was taken away from them? Is it because you can use the wall/pillar from far away to act as a temporary ward? Or is it just the yasuo bias? idk
MorganFreemanBot42 votesWhen Yasuo was released, Trundle and Anivia walls both gave vision still.
Yasuo's W range is significantly shorter than Trundle and Anivia's terrain creation, expires more quickly, and is arguably far more important (Yasuo generally dies if he uses his wall too early; Trundle was quite fine using his pillar to scout). I guess that, over his repeated nerfs, it was never much of an issue and so hasn't been 'normalized' yet.
kargish15 votesSimply because 
terrain can be put much further away and covers a larger area. It provided way too much safety on a lower cooldown.
Raveolution5 votesSimply because
Uh, are you talking about wind wall with these 2 statements, because if you've ever played or seen Yasuo once it's maxed. You would not be excluding it.
kargish1 votesUh, are you talking about wind wall with these 2 statements, because if you've ever played or seen Yasuo once it's maxed. You would not be excluding it.
We're talking about using terrain as scouting tools. Yes I am excluding Yasuo's wall as a reliable scouting tool.
Windwall has way more saftey than either of those terrain spells Its just that its versus ranged characters Trundle would kill for his pillar to block all incoming projectiles and its a much smaller model than yasou's W with trundle having no dash to engage with or hard cc to peel/ engage with at long range unlike these other 2 champions
Like the guy above; it's about using terrain as a scouting tool. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
LordGeovanni4 votesWindwall has way more saftey than either of those terrain spells Its just that its versus ranged characters Trundle would kill for his pillar to block all incoming projectiles and its a much smaller model than yasou's W with trundle having no dash to engage with or hard cc to peel/ engage with at long range unlike these other 2 champions
Toothierosprey33 votesThe thing is Yas' windwall and Trundle's pillar are completely different abilities. Trundle E displaces and slows from 1000 range, and is actually terrain, unlike the windwall.
LordGeovanni1 votesSo we tradeing effects?
MrHaZeYo14 votesGood question.
CppL13 votesWell i guess same reason his ult puts him out of turet range.just yasou stuff.
DragonShea11 votesWind Wall is not Terrain. it's a Null zone similar to Shen's W.
Terozu2 votesShen W is temporary terrain like Kindred W.
Shen's terrain grants something like dodge status to allies.
DragonShea5 votesShen W is temporary terrain like Kindred W.
Shen's terrain grants something like dodge status to allies.
Nononononono.
Terrain are objects and obsticles created by champions to cut off enemy champs.
create Terrain.
and 
Create a safety zone for their allies that buff, heal or protect them.
Terozu1 votesThere are multiple types of terrain actually.
Yorick Trundle Anivia Ornn and Jarvan create structures.
Fiora Janna Kled and Poppy Shen Kindred and Yasuo have terrain effects.
Basically one type is structures the other is field effect, both are terrain. Though I would argue that Poppy's is actually an aura.
For instance, Anivia actually has two terrain spells, her Ult and her Wall. They're both terrain spells just different types.
like how we have walls, lanes, brush and river. They're all separate types of terrain. And for coding purpose so is the fountain, the base, and the zone around turrets.
DragonShea5 votesThere are multiple types of terrain actually.
Yorick Trundle Anivia Ornn and Jarvan create structures.
Fiora Janna Kled and Poppy Shen Kindred and Yasuo have terrain effects.
Basically one type is structures the other is field effect, both are terrain. Though I would argue that Poppy's is actually an aura.
For instance, Anivia actually has two terrain spells, her Ult and her Wall. They're both terrain spells just different types.
like how we have walls, lanes, brush and river. They're all separate types of terrain. And for coding purpose so is the fountain, the base, and the zone around turrets.
(From http://www.dictionary.com) Link: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrain
Terrain:
A tract of land, especially as considered with reference to its natural features, military advantages, etc. Geology: terrane.
The second group simply create a zone, bubble or aura that is on the ground. Dropping water or a ball on the ground or lighting a fire is NOT considered to be part of a Terrain, Merely objects on it. To create Terrain you have to Terraform the ground
Terozu1 votesThats not what im referring to.
Mist is also a type of terrain.
Many abilities in this game are terrain effects and terrain.
Especially in regards to gaming.
KZ Engel7 votes"terrain" literally only refers to walls in this game. are you trying to imply that every ground aoe is a "terrain" lmfao
Terozu1 votesExcuse me? THe game calls certain abilities terrain, and runes refer to river and jungle as terrain.
Strigina3 votesTerrain effects? Try to stun enemy with those "terrains" as Vayne for example...
Terozu1 votesVayne stuns via walls not terrain.
3TWarrior1 voteswhat is braum's shield wall?
DragonShea1 voteswhat is braum's shield wall?
A barrier.
420 grams7 votesI think it would make a lot of people mad if they a yasuo nerf in the patch notes only to find out its only wind wall giving vision
Starcraft243ver3 votesI think any nerf would still make us happy :d
KZ Engel4 votes"the yasuo bias" jesus fucking christ gameplay is pathetic
AwesomeGuyDj2 votesBecause as Freeman bot said yasuo's windwall is near required for his survival and has almost no range compared to the other 2.
Thegreatxiu2 votesI'm not exactly sure from a gameplay perspective, but thematically it'd make sense that a wall like Anivia's wall or Trundle's pillar would block vision, while Yasuo's windwall wouldn't block vision.
5050BS2 votesmore Yasuo favoritism
Modl Ryden l2 votesLet's not forget that Windwall cannot displace units (enemy or ally) unlike Pillar of Ice and Crystallize.
But you know, there's more terrain creating abilities. like Cataclysm, 
Weaver's Wall, Dark Procession, 
Emperor's Divide. They grant vision too, but we can omit them the argument, I guess. They also displace units as well. I guess they must be hella OP since they can displace AND grant vision.
Wall of Pain grants vision too but is still allows enemies to pass through like Yasuo's Windwall.
Friendly Ram1 votesWeirdly non solid walls like yasuo, jayce and karthus grant vision while solid ones do not anymore after riot nerfed them.
3TWarrior1 votesto be honest, someone probably just forgot about it
either that, or its limited range makes it almost a non-factor as the same could be done with a ward
The Space Cowboy1 votesThere is some consistency with 
chompers for instance. They took the vision off for a second but I made a stink and coincidentally they put it back on.
Skorch1 votesAs a few other people said, if I had to guess, barely any people even know about or use this thing. And old terrain like it could. Trundle WAS using his pillar as a temp ward (Am i being ganked?) While because of Yasuo's short range. He CANT instead of a few small circumstances. And since no one uses it balance team probably legitimately forgot it existed. There were no "OMG YASUO WW GRANTS VISION, THIS WILL 100% GET NERFED" Videos on it.
So the people complaining about "Yasuo Favoritism" How about you be happy that when they nerf Yasuo, they actually nerf his damage or something. And not something 1% of yasuo players know about and use in 1% of their games.
Violet Fields1 votesAnd you know what's weird, for some reason Karthus's W gives him vision, not even sure if both are considered "terrain" though.
Elkington VI1 votesIt has annoyed me to no end that Trundle's Pillar got its vision removed, when it has done that since release. I can kind of understand Anivia, but Trundle is fully melee with no dashes (only a situational MS boost). Removing his vision changes his approach completely.
It really hurts him on maps like 3v3, where vision is extremely limited, and getting caught out equals death.
I really wish Riot would give Trundle back his vision. It hurts him a lot more than they seem to think.
FakeGravity1 votestheres too many inconsistencies with vision and skills to me, for one why teemo mushrooms give vision? why lux q and w dont? why dont anivia wall block vision over itself?
