More defensive ap items

ÈvilMorty·Dec 27, 2016·13 votes·2,317 views

I just think the game needs at least 1 or 2 more defensive mage items for assassins and melee champs. Besides and arguably (gives a shield but takes forever to stack), there is little options besides opting for the less efective hp items. while AD champs get and arguably the tank mr items like which i see on many melee champs such as . I would like to see something like maw but for mages or a similar item in the future. Or maybe something along the lines of emitting a slow similar to idk just my thoughts on the mater.

21 Comments

LankPantsDec 27, 20167 votes

AP champs have several defensive items. They already have item 3157 item 3001 item 3027 item 3040 item 3152 . That's already quite a few and they're just the viable ones, there's also items like item 3151 , item 3116 and item 3030 which are less viable but still defensive AP items that exist.

Where AP is currently lacking is offensive itemisation. There's only a couple of good offensive items unless you're specifically a tear user, these are item 3165 and item 3135 . Then there's a few subpar items that you're forced into because the fields are baron in item 3089 and item 3285 . There's no good 5 offensive items+boots build for non tear champs currently though. There's only 4 usable offensive AP items in these builds and there is utterly no choice. You do the same build every game unless you specifically need Zhonya's. Mathematically the strongest build is item 3165 > item 3020 > item 3135 > item 3089 > item 3285 > ????. You never change the order of these items, the only time you ever sub one out is if you're forced into a defensive item. This is the problem with AP itemisation right now, there's a very clear optimal build.

XilixerDec 27, 20161 votes

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Mathematically the strongest build is > > > > > ????. You never change the order of these items, the only time you ever sub one out is if you're forced into a defensive item. This is the problem with AP itemisation right now, there's a very clear optimal build.

this is only kind of true. some mages dont need full damage or dont focus on it such as or Velkoz . malzahar needs to build items like item 3116 and item 3151 to help catch people and improve dot while vel'koz needs items like item 3158 , item 3157 or item 3152 to reach max cd cap so he can get his passive onto targets more often.

WheatloafDec 27, 20162 votes

If you're building protobelt on Vel'Koz, you're doing something wrong. Yes you want max CDR, but you take 10-15% scaling on runes, then morello's and either lucidity boots, abyssal (fuck that broken-ass item tho), or hourglass. Aside from that he actually does want as much straight AP as possible. Ever since the mage update, anyway.

XilixerDec 27, 20161 votes

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If you're building protobelt on Vel'Koz, you're doing something wrong. Yes you want max CDR, but you take 10-15% scaling on runes, then morello's and either lucidity boots, abyssal (fuck that broken-ass item tho), or hourglass. Aside from that he actually does want as much straight AP as possible. Ever since the mage update, anyway.

i dont actually build protobelt on vel'koz i just used it as an example for one of the many items that he can build. only after you reach the max cd cap should you worry about increasing ap hard and this is due to the fact that vel'koz's passive is gonna be your main source of damage becuase true damage ftw.

WheatloafDec 27, 20161 votes

But where possible, you generally go for Luden's before you go for the cdr cap. Morello has 100 AP so it absolutely doesn't count as low AP. The huge ratio buffs for passive and ult really were big for his build path.

XilixerDec 28, 20161 votes

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But where possible, you generally go for Luden's before you go for the cdr cap. Morello has 100 AP so it absolutely doesn't count as low AP. The huge ratio buffs for passive and ult really were big for his build path.

before i go for ludens i usually want at least 30% cd which i get after morello and ionion boots

WheatloafDec 28, 20161 votes

You don't run 10% scaling on blues?

Denims Wrath666Dec 27, 20164 votes

you're really neglecting item 3027 I bet. that shit is strong- think about it... it turns your mana basically into more health.

oddly enough, you could also try learning item 3069 on your aps. sure you will get the stupid meta fucks who will bitch if you're not completely destroying cause you got a talisman, but its over-looked as one of the best items in the game.

ÈvilMortyDec 27, 20162 votes

Your forgetting that i did say mages have to opt for the less effective hp items i say less effective because while they offer hp they dont offer resistances so assassins and melee champs can still burn through it with extended fights

The Yetii RiderDec 27, 20163 votes

There's no item in the game that offers AP/AD, resistances and health.

And yes, armor or MR is more effective than health in an extended fight, but AP champs should not be taking damage in extension. They are designed to go through their full rotation and either escape, get a kill or die. The exception to this are Battlemages like Viktor and Swain, but they have built in sustain in their kits with a repeatable shield/heal.

GrReaper96Dec 27, 20161 votes

Honestly the healing on ROA is crap AD champs get like 20% of their dmg output as health while ap gets practically at most 25 health per spell cast

TargonDec 27, 20162 votes

I'm hoping that item 3170 will be added to SR.

Troll for TrumpDec 27, 20162 votes

For the RoA people, picking RoA means you have to rush it usually, as you won't get full stacks in time otherwise, which is annoying. Since most mages are forced into getting Morello's

Off Meta EvanDec 27, 20162 votes

i disagree, i think rather than buffing defensive mage items, i think nerfing the defensive AD/MR hybrid options would be better. Adding defensive options allows people to make more mistakes because they can take more hits, and making this game harder/punishing is something i fully endorse.