Poppy is too strong

Darkinlegend··43 votes·4,011 views

She has a loaded kit full of CC and is very tanky. Furthemore, she can simply build tanky and she still does a lot of damage. I see her carry games with a full tank build.

And yet, any AD she does build scales fantastically with her.

CC Tankiness Damage

Why do some champs get all 3?

Seems silly.

56 Comments

ff4sk12 votes

So she's basically malphite then?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

malphite does a lot more damage than poppy simply because his damage scales with armor

SeargentAnus1 votes

The best thing is Malphite has pretty much zero counterplay in his kit besides the best item in the game item 3102

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

banshees is far from being the best item in the game and if malphite ulted in you will get be rekt with the rest of his kit and his team

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

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So she's basically malphite then?

on steroids*

Elwynn10 votes

Shes getting gutted on pbe

ModWulf Helhammer8 votes

I wouldn't call that being gutted

SlaktarTasken1 votes

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I wouldn't call that being gutted

I wouldn't even go as far as to call it a lovetap.

Abyssphere3 votes

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I wouldn't even go as far as to call it a lovetap.

...really? 100 range being cut off a champion's only gapcloser is huge. Combine that with much weaker laning damage on Q and and noticeably lower passive range and she's being hit from a ton of directions. You really think that won't even nudge her performance?

Robbit Mang1 votes

They buffed the range previously, it's still close to or about the same as the range pre rework

Ravenhale1 votes

Not really. Her range is being shortened, but her damage should be about the same.

AbusingMyRights1 votes

they increased her % max hp damage too ughh just noticed that

Handin Out Naps3 votes

Just like Shyvana got gutted right?

Ralanr4 votes

She's getting nerfed on the PBE.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

honestly. thats gutting not nerfing. its a HUGE massive nerf that I haven't seen anything like yet

Ralanr1 votes

The E range nerf is WAY too much if you ask me.

I don't even take her to lane! She's my jungler! Her lane power hurts her jungle power!

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

shes been a bad jungler for a while. I used to EXCLUSIVELY jungle with her. but I stopped. now only top lane. and might not play her much after nerfs. I do think she needs a slight nerf. but not that much. at least. buff her in the jungle. she has one of the worst clears in the jungle.

Hellhammer1 votes

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The E range nerf is WAY too much if you ask me.

I don't even take her to lane! She's my jungler! Her lane power hurts her jungle power!

I've been playing her since season 3, you know how many people have flashed out of the slam when the motion is already happening? i played a game earlier tonight a vayne should have been splattered i even heard the slam but she flashed.

what they need to do is take a look at her shield, notice that morons will give up their lives to use it as a welcome mat, because they think it makes you mad; but really your happy because they aligned themselves right infront of a wall.

I think it would be absolutely fair if they doubled the duration of CD for the shield after its been stepped on.- over messing with my slam.

3TWarrior1 votes

a range nerf is rarely a gutting and someone said her %hp damage is going up

have you seen a poppy pentakill a team before...not fun

PiVoRx3 votes

There is a general issue with champions doing insane damage with no items.

charcharmunro1 votes

Karthus feels sad.

IcyPepper3 votes

Just a bit too strong, but not overbearing in my opinion.

Like, if each champion was put on a scale of 1 (UP) to 10 (OP), with 5 being perfectly balanced, I would put Poppy as a 7. Not enough to alert the media about, but enough to get a light nerf to put her back in line.

There are a dozen or two champions in a worse state than Poppy when it comes to being too strong, but that doesn't mean she should escape the hammer when it's her time.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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There are a dozen or two champions in a worse state than Poppy when it comes to being too strong, but that doesn't mean she should escape the hammer when it's her time.

Is that a pun?

IcyPepper3 votes

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Knoyle3 votes

I'd sooner ban Udyr Volibear Zed Yasuo Blitzcrank Graves Kalista MasterYi Shaco Talon TahmKench Thresh Zed Trundle Singed Nautilus Ahri Darius DrMundo Evelynn Garen before I banned a Champion who only punishes you really hard when you position poorly. Hell, the stun can be wonky a lot of times. And the only time I see her do much damage to anything is squishies who should be dying relatively fast anyway because they would be building damage and not much defense at all. I honestly don't understand how anyone has a problem with her other than a "she got fed and stomped us" experience.

Yash Gautam2 votes

I actually made a super similar post a few weeks ago

LazyW0lf2 votes

I think her Q scaling needs to be reduced. Also % Max health damage should never be a thing, especially when it not only hits twice, but the first hit is unavoidable.

J E B A ł T E D1 votes

Singed Shyvana DrMundo wut now?

INoble KnightI1 votes

Vayne Sion TahmKench Shen

alfavhunter1 votes

Max hp damage is fine

Max hp true damage is the issue with % hp damage effects

Voluug132 votes

Poppy's CC is unreliable and conditional. Her ult is extremely unreliable too.

Her damage is conditional too, and only above average if she lands her stun. Otherwise her damage is downright terrible. She has no innate sustain either.

She is particulary weak to poke and ranged champions, specially those that push her to her tower and make her waste mana trying to waveclear.

However, she excells on punishing and locking down mobile targets... which a lot of salty people use.

nami tf2 votes

"She has a loaded kit full of CC and is very tanky. Furthemore, she can simply build tanky and she still does a lot of damage. I see her carry games with a full tank build."

Sounds like Nautilus

3TWarrior1 votes

nautilus has not had very high damage since before season 3 though

Knoyle1 votes

Please...

3TWarrior1 votes

unless you're someone in bottom lane who effectively lets him apply AAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL of his damage....but that's on the player and not nautilus...heck, even blitzcrank has that problem, but rarely if ever is he nerfed for it when he's a 50/50 win champ of either you catch them and you win or you don't and you can still win...

Monkey D Luffy2 votes

Lol I made a post when she first got her buffs but got heaps of downvotes, took people this long to realize lol.

LiziLOL1 votes

i wish riot can make tanks REAL tanks, rather than fighters.

remove the ability for tanks to do DMG and give them sustain/resistance instead.

for poppy her Q+E shouldnt do any damage at all, make their base dmg and scaling 0. her Q should be a bigger slow+ ad/ap shred, E should give her bonus resistance or dmg reduction instead

chipndip11 votes

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i wish riot can make tanks REAL tanks, rather than fighters.

remove the ability for tanks to do DMG and give them sustain/resistance instead.

for poppy her Q+E shouldnt do any damage at all, make their base dmg and scaling 0. her Q should be a bigger slow+ ad/ap shred, E should give her bonus resistance or dmg reduction instead

Poppy IS a tank.

The point of her damage is that, during early game, she plays like a fighter. During late game you fall back on stopping cc and running people into walls.

Does no one realize that Poppy is designed to rake in cash early game?

Ryvaku1 votes

Waaaah a tank is beating me up and cannot kite. Waaah. >.> That is all I hear from anyone crying about tanks.

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

you sure ur not talking about old poppy?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

trundle? rammus? volibear? udyr?

arc951 votes

Hai Lam‏: "Why is Poppy a champion. both iterations of this champion are garbage, pls nerf CC/Damage :("

  • C9 Support(and ex mid and jungler )
Li sono io1 votes

btw, she is crazy in 3v3 map

Hellhammer1 votes

So how is she loaded up with so much CC & Damage? I'm going to guess the people who cry about Poppy these days are Toplanes?, you should never be in a position where she's any threat to you if you don't rub your bum against the wall?, or bathe in her hammershock's % damage. you literally have to stand around for that.

nerfs that i would find more legit than her heroic charge/shield toss range nerfs would be.

  • Step on her shield double her CD before she gets it back to toss = I'll be honest even I think for risking a wallslam you get nothing in return... -Increase the mana cost to hammershock, compared to devistating blow it costs nothing at all.

from my experience new poppy usually doesn't become a homicidal maniac like the old one.

WadeWilson13371 votes

Iron Ambassador (Passive) bonus range lowered to 300 from 400**

Hammer Shock (Q) Damage reduced to 35/55/75/95/115 from 40/65/90/115/140 Maximum health damage increased to 7% from 6%.

Heroic Charge (E) range reduced to 425 from 525**

All will be live in 5 days. Satisfied? To the people who are thinking this isnt enough...The E range nerf by itself is absolutely massive. Thats the kind of nerf that makes people just stop playing a champion.

Sentinos1 votes

So, she's basically not as broken as zed and the other assasins? That's right.

FoggyPaws1 votes

Darius cough

Feathermane1 votes

Funny how Cho is never complained about, then.

Dengeden1 votes

Her Q and E are both deceptively strong. They both have very unclear hitboxes. It isn't a matter of "some champions", every champion is a mixed bag of damage and tankiness.

TheRealBaz1 votes

you just described our lord and savior Rammus

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