Akali has Too Much

Frosted Tips··11 votes·5,428 views

I personally think that the True Stealth is fine.

Parts that make her overloaded:

  1. Too much sustain on Q
  2. Restealth time, she attacks and then re-enters stealth too quickly to react to unless you predict her location near perfectly
  3. Too much energy regen on shroud.

I think 1 or more of these need to be hit before she can be healthy.

20 Comments

Dr Dog9 votes

the true stealth is a big issue mainly stemming from her literally being able to trade with you directly under tower, its the first thing in her kit that needs to go

Frosted Tips1 votes

If you add longer restealth time then she might take a turret shot. Akali can't from the get go trade for free with you under the tower.

Dr Dog1 votes

i wouldnt mind that along with her w having no refreshes on weaving in and out, it should only last a solid 4 secs before going away completely tho id be open to it having its cd lowered in return for that

Frosted Tips2 votes

I disagree. The long CD is important for counterplay. If it is up more often then she gets more energy regen and she can dodge ganks more often.

Dr Dog1 votes

true, one thing i might wanna add is her ult should have a lower range when used as an escape aka not toward a enemy champion

Infernape1 votes

Riot could easily retune her energy costs to compensate for the lower W CD.

Frosted Tips1 votes

Also the whole point of the weaving is so she extends the duration while making herself vulnerable. The problem is the restealth delay. It is too short. Just nerf that. No need to change multiple mini aspects of her kit for one tiny change.

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

While I agree with the idea on nerfing her restealth time, she already does take turret shots when she leaves stealth. She can go under turret without taking turret shots, but her using any kind of damage brings turret aggro onto her and restealthing doesn't cancel the shot once it's already targetted her.

She already can't trade with you for free under tower is what i'm trying to say.

HyperTechno3 votes

I read it as another Akali complaint, thank god it is not.

The third suggestion I would favor since her abilities function with energy, except her Ultimate and W. Punishing her for using W, would be a more favorable type of nerf strategy while keeping her assassination skills strong when used correctly. I do not think Riot is punishing an Akali player enough for using their W, else she is a well-designed champion.

Thank you, for not making a rant. Lots of respect.

GL HF

[vlad-salute]

Jbels3 votes

Akali has sustain on her Q because in lane she has literally no threat range until she gets 6. For mages, this is hilariously easy to abuse through poke and superior range.

ADC Yuumi2 votes
  1. item 3123 AD champions, item 3165 AP Champions, item 3076 Tank Champions. All of these reduce her healing.

  2. If you have a Brand, Nasus or Leona on your team, you can force her out of her shroud; AoE champions (especially with hard CC) are too much for Akali to handle. Especially someone like Annie with a 2 second stun or Nasus with a massive slow; you can stop her from fighting and make her have to ult away.

  3. Ninja champions have massive mobility, ability resource and damage at the cost of predictability and the fact that they can easily be taken down if more than one healthy target is before them.

Hopefully this helps. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Frosted Tips4 votes

Number 2 is wrong. Galio and Janna and Poppy are good about getting Akali out of shroud. Unless the Nasus is AP Akali can just sit there and take that like 200 damage. Also I think she is not super OP just super irritating and the community hates it, but what I suggest is a way to reduce her irritation drastically.

ADC Yuumi2 votes

Well I don't want to sound "mean" but Akali is a champion who takes a ton of skill to be effective. And knowing how Yasuo and Riven can be, this is just one of the high damage carries who are flexible enough to win anything as long as they make the right plays.

However, my only problem is her Q damage if her auto-attack can do massive damage.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

She has exactly the same problems as old akali. Which really speaks for certainlyt and yes i'm derailing this thread a bit to shit on him deservedly so.

Low interactivity/counterplay and too much sustain.

And you pointed out her problems perfectly. Fuck the true stealth noone cares. Her being able to harass/trade you without you being able to trade back is one of the biggest problems of old and new akali. Maybe if you play on 5 ping and have a 14 yos reaction time you might be able to get one auto through but other than that there is no chance in hell you trade her back.

Then there is her sustain where you will say "oh but she has to use her Q for it". Yes she has to use an ability that costs nothing to heal back massive amounts of hp she lost in a bad trade. B B B BUT THEN SHE CANT ATTACK YOU, yea but you also cannot force her to attack due to E and W. So simply cannot abuse her supposed counterplay because her kit covers her "weaknesses". Y'know a fact a lot of certainlyt champs (but not only his unfortunately) have in common.

Her stealth duration is just too long. Someone who watches high elo akali play will notice how akali can zone entire teams off for 8 seconds just by throwing down her shroud. It has such ridiculous amounts of power it's insane.

Her kit needs a lot of work before it gets bareable.

Sustain and shroud need massive work.

xDelightifyx1 votes

Every spell needs to be gutted. No heal for q, no true invis, 2 s to reenter stealth, less energy regen, more ult cd.

King Lego1 votes

The biggest issues with Akali is her shroud and her e.

Nothing should hide you from turrets. Turrets in League are supposed to be eagle eye and go something like this: "i see you! take my fist to the face!" but with Akali's shroud it's like "oh...who spray painted my eyes?!? I see a blurry ghost i'll just blindly shoot around hoping i get you!"

As for her e, it needs to have a range limit. Not even WW can do this much leaping like Akali and he's a mutated wolf compared to some Ionian human.

akali's already on my list of badly designed champions. Even if i make her 0/10 (because of how predictable she can be) i still have the urge to punch the wall due to how frustrating she is.

Elewd1 votes

I do agree on the restealth being way too nice to akali and less to her opponents, if it took another half second so people could react to her and respond it'd feel like you outplayed her when she tried to outplay you. Basically skillfully abusing the smokescreen as akali versus just being 100% safe in it. other things not so much, she always had sustain built into her kit and always built gunblade for more sustain. energy regen on shroud is fine because she has to use it to gain it and its a long cd so you can abuse her a bit.

Frosted Tips1 votes

Yeah I just pointed out things that dealt over the top. I think if done right only one has to be nerfed.

Elisza Kitsune1 votes

To be fair; her old healing was extremely potent compared to her's now [some even built tank and still oneshot] and she's kind of weak in her early levels but it shouldn't scale super hard. Everything else I completely agree with though [she should have a longer delay on disappearing into shroud even if it's +1 second] and it shouldn't give as much energy as it does since it'll add more of a skill ceiling for her [energy management].

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

Obligatory "she doesn't have true stealth." That's just what the boards have been calling it. True stealth would imply that nothing reveals Akali when she shrouds, but she is still revealed by turrets and true sight, and she appears as a white silhouette, she just can't be targetted by single target spells and AAs.

  1. I disagree on the too much sustain on Q specifically, it's a really minimal amount by itself. It only starts ramping up once Akali gets gunblade, which is usually 12-16 minutes into the game. It also has counterplay, you can build morello, executioners or bramble vest to apply greavous wounds and gimp her healing. One of those, and some magic resist will really slow down her power spikes and make you much harder to all in from the Akali's perspective.

  2. This I think is a decent idea. It wouldn't have to be nerfed very much, just enough to weave an aa or an extra ability in.

  3. Also disagree. Akali needs the large amount of energy given from her shroud due to her using literally half her energy bar using 1 Q. Now the cost lowers with each level up but it's still quite large. If they decided to nerf this she would need a compensation buff to the energy restore on her passive.

Glad some people can post about nerfing Akali without crying for half the post. Really helps me want to contribute to the discussion.

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