DO NOT touch Morg's binding

ylneveaH evoL··407 votes·13,213 views

I always have a coffee when I play league, but I never really get a chance to drink it before it goes cold. Thankfully, when I get hit by a morg binding from top lane when she is bottom lane because of the completely accurate hitbox, I get a chance to drink my coffee during the 3 second root. Thanks Rito for letting me drink my coffee. Brink back the 3 second Fiddle fear and Rammus taunt to allow me more time to drink coffee.

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Sir ArmaMalum162 votes

I think I speak for a lot when I say it's not necessarily a +1 for the subject in question, but a +1 for the next level sarcasm.

Cale01783 votes

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I think I speak for a lot when I say it's not necessarily a +1 for the subject in question, but a +1 for the next level sarcasm.

I dunno, I'm pretty okay with the subject in question too. Bitch roots you for so long your team reports you for afk.

The5lacker9 votes

3 Seconds is too long, but it should be a hefty CC considering how hard it should theoretically be to hit with it. Remember, Fidd and Rammus's were both targeted abilities (can't dodge shit) and hard CC (Morg's doesn't stop spells or attacks, just movement. Remember to right click the enemy.)

Now, if Morg's Q actually matched the hitbox in any capacity, I don't think there'd be any real problem. But...

Lt Cuddles6 votes

Whenever she traps me in her Q, I typically just go: "Oh hey, free piss break!" or something to that extent.

MrSexyHobo6 votes

i always get pissed of when she hits me with her stun. thankfully i have time to cool off and regroup during the snair

Rank One Yasuo72 votes

I got hit by a Morgana binding so i just tabbed out and came to the forums. This thread gave me the reminder i was still in game. But its okay im still binded and now being morg ulted. Ive got some time.

Long Dong Wukong45 votes

Reduce the hitbox size and watch me hit more bindings, I don't give a fuck.

The thing hits sideways and creeps steal it all the time.

ylneveaH evoL19 votes

I wouldn't even be mad. That is skill. Current Morg Q hitbox is not skill

SirFeedselot9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Long Dong Wukong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vY2ZibUE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-12T18:25:07.919+0000)

Reduce the hitbox size and watch me hit more bindings, I don't give a fuck.

The thing hits sideways and creeps steal it all the time.

This.

That retarded hitbox is retarded for minions too.

Exactly33 votes

The only reason I ever got the Leaver Buster warning was because Morgana binded me and I couldn't move, then ended up getting the AFK Warning.

deadlychuck32 votes

I still don't understand why fiddle fear and rammus taunt got nerfed to < 2.5 seconds, but Veigar 2.5 second aoe stun is perfectly fine.

The only thing i can think of is that they are targeted, but really if you're half decent with it, then Veigar's is basically targeted too.

Cale0177 votes

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I still don't understand why fiddle fear and rammus taunt got nerfed to < 2.5 seconds, but Veigar 2.5 second aoe stun is perfectly fine.

The only thing i can think of is that they are targeted, but really if you're half decent with it, then Veigar's is basically targeted too.

Veigar's 2.5 second stun starts as a roundabout 1 second stun and eats most of his mana early game, unlike Morgana's 2 second early game root that can win her bottom lane from landing it once.

TheI3igDaddy18 votes

Imo it's because Event Horizon has a really long CD (16 seconds at max rank, down from 20), and it's Veigar's ONLY line of defense against everyone that wants to rip him in half. Once the enemy team sees him use it, they know that he's vulnerable if they can get around it, or wait it out inside.

Hyrum Graff4 votes

Veigar also has a really bad early game, and most importantly, can't jungle.

Cloud2736 votes

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I still don't understand why fiddle fear and rammus taunt got nerfed to < 2.5 seconds, but Veigar 2.5 second aoe stun is perfectly fine.

The only thing i can think of is that they are targeted, but really if you're half decent with it, then Veigar's is basically targeted too.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about

Tin Tarantino9 votes

+1, If they swapped out Threshs Ult with Veigars E it would be a buff to Thresh.

deadlychuck8 votes

We all know the last thing thresh needs is a buff though

Tin Tarantino3 votes

This is true

GaleWinUnleashed3 votes

The fear and taunt are targeted, so they offer little to no counterplay other than to just stay away from them, and Veigar's may as well be targeted if you're placing it on top of them. Anything longer than that better at least be a skillshot. Whether or not Morgana Q's enormous hitbox qualifies as a skillshot is a different question entirely.

Raptamei3 votes

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I still don't understand why fiddle fear and rammus taunt got nerfed to < 2.5 seconds, but Veigar 2.5 second aoe stun is perfectly fine.

The only thing i can think of is that they are targeted, but really if you're half decent with it, then Veigar's is basically targeted too.

Yes, when you whine about everyone else until they get nerfed, you will eventually discover that Veigar is left and whine about him too.

THE GREAT SLOTH19 votes

I know what you mean. For me, it's a nice time to take a nap, maybe get some fresh air. You ever had your wii tell you to "take a break"? Morgana's Q binding is basically LoL's version of that.

Yaksha14 votes

Don't worry, you don't have to touch Morg's binding for it to hit you

The Epicer ONe9 votes

than some salty morg main shows how this thread has 90 upvotes and tells riot not to touch morg b/c she is balanced.

ylneveaH evoL10 votes

True Morgana "mains" would know she is OP. I am a Kat main, and I think Kat needs to be slightly nerfed. If people are oblivious to how strong their main champion is, they should not main that champion...

TotalJerk2 votes

Kat isn't OP by herself. Her problem is that she is completely worthless against certain comps, and virtually unstoppable against others. Most assassins are like that, though.

Direwolfiez1 votes

Doesn't that mean that assassins should be tweaked, as a whole? After all, Riot is now all about strategic diversity, and letting one comp completely wipe the floor with another is kinda not what they said...not saying that one shouldn't inherently have an advantage over another, but some comps aren't even fun to play against, and that's bad.

TotalJerk3 votes

Like I said, it's a problem. Their counterplay amounts to be mostly about who you picked and little of what you do.

Jungle Lux God5 votes

I think Dark Binding needs adjustments, but the duration is fine. It just needs an accurate hitbox because frankly, you get hit by it when it clearly should not have. It's like old Nidalee spears and old Mundo cleavers.

ylneveaH evoL2 votes

ehhh the duration could use a knockdown. Its the longest CC in the game now, which honestly would be fine, if it wasn't on such a short CD, and if Morg had no other CC to follow it up with. But because she has another form of hard CC, and its on a 7 second CD at rank 5 with CDR, it gets a wee bit ridiculous

Jungle Lux God3 votes

It's the longest CC in the game now, but its duration isn't nearly as ridiculous as some other forms of CC in the game, especially when you compare it to some other forms of CC, including Lux's Light Binding (2 second snare on first target, 1 second snare on the second), Swain's Nevermove (2 second AoE snare), and Veigar's Event Horizon (up to 2.5 second AoE stun). At least with a lower hitbox you would at least be able to avoid it without it hitting you when you clearly avoided it.

Rock Rockburgh3 votes

On top of which, let's look at what you COULD be up against.

Chaos Bolt: 2-4 second stun Entangling Claws: 20% chance to root for 3 seconds on hit. (basic attack) Bash (Abyssal Blade): 25% chance (if melee; 10% if ranged) to stun for 1.4 seconds on hit. Overwhelm (Abyssal Blade): Active. 2 second stun, penetrates Spell Immunity. Unstable Concoction: up to 4 seconds of stun Sacred Arrow: Up to 5 second stun. Adaptive Strike: Stun 4.75s Stasis Trap: Stun 4s, AOE Primal Roar: Stun 4s, AOE Shackleshot: Stun 3.75s, up to two targets. Hard to land properly, though. Stone Gaze: Stun 3s, AOE Dream Coil: Stun 3s, AOE, can be avoided by staying in range. (It's like a reverse Morg ult. Stay near it to stay safe. 4.5s with Aghanim's Scepter.)

Really, it's just lucky that League has less disables than Dota does. If they were actually this long in LoL... jegus.

Jungle Lux God4 votes

It's not luck that League has less disables than Dota does, it's good game design that League has less disables.

Ale non è male3 votes

It's not an hard CC though, and Morg kit as laner rely entirely on avoiding enemies spell or shielding it through black shield and then rooting the enemy for long enough time to pull off the combo with her ulti If you touch dark binding duration you definitively kill Morgana as laner, especially given that Black Shield strength was yet weakened a lot (and was weakened in the wrong way, they would have better touched AP scaling rather than base values if they wanted to avoid the morg bot going full AP)

SleepyLionCub5 votes

someone doesnt know what minions are, or how to stand behind them.

ylneveaH evoL17 votes

yes, because minions are all over the map to conveniently hide behind at all times throughout the whole duration of a game. Thanks, why didn't I think of that!

Laughing Fish12 votes

I prefer to stand behind Braum.

Solidair35 votes

The hitbox should probably be the adjusted to better match its graphic, however I wouldn't touch the duration. Seeing as it's a skillshot instead of a point and click like the other two, it CAN be missed, and is one of the slower moving projectiles.

steelblacksky4 votes

man the duration, it be fine.

as for projectile hitbox, it isn't off, it's just in wrestling mode.(skip to 42 seconds through the end to really drive it home)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2272jDSyZik

Nicosarea3 votes

I actually miss the 3 second Fiddle fear (playing as or against Fiddle)

lest we forget item 3070

ylneveaH evoL56 votes

played a game earlier today, where a morg shot her q, it was sailing way past me, got fid feared and walked into the binding. I cried.

Kuroi868 votes

I lol'd.

Electro5228 votes

That is just brutal.

PikaCHU5673 votes

Coffee is very important. :3

Adolf Ghostler3 votes

I have no problem with Morg's Q. The hit box could be fixed yes, but other than that it's fine. It's not a 3 second stun. It's a 3 second root. This mean you can still cast. Go play dota where 4 second aoe stuns are a thing. It's also a skill shot, sure it's long but so is ezreals q, at least it's not a targeted ability.

IS1d51f7fd0f8e2764617b03 votes

We NEED the 3 second stuns back to actually handle our new marksmen overlords until their bloody armorpen is finally nerfed

Shroom Junkie3 votes

Really?

Morg's kit consists of: A root that deals most of her damage An AOE-DoT that deals part of her damage A shield that only blocks spells and abilities(granted the spell block is really good, but not offensive) A multi-target stun that requires Morg to sit in the middle of the enemy team(can Zhonyas but still).

And yet you want to make its harder to hit her main source of damage? um, no.

Centuros1 votes

By which you actually mean you have PLENTY of time to drink your coffee when you are dead.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a3910 votes

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By which you actually mean you have PLENTY of time to drink your coffee when you are dead.

you killed it

Erotic Fantasies1 votes

Meanwhile blitzcrank Q

Alljoy3 votes

When Blitzcrank Q's, I just get up for a bathroom break depending on my death timer.

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