Junglers need XP

bvcderrttyyhjjjk··17 votes·1,780 views

Recently Riot kept giving junglers more gold for clearing camps. A nice addition, since it would take ages to get items. But I still feel useless most of the time. Why is that you may ask? Unless I get some ridicuolus early killing spree, unlikely since early game you are low HP all the time, you wnd up being 2-3 levels below solo laners. Clearing the jungle does not nearly award as much XP as laning.

The only situations in which you will be on a decent XP level is if either you get lots of early kills, which you not always get the chance to do if enemies play conservative, or if you get to hold a lane, which you also may very well not get.

By consequence, you are most of the time, 2-3 levels below when the first teamfights start erupting, and you will get instantly melted instead of locking down carries or carrying yourself.

Basically my problem is that your success depends on situational factors, and the jungling role is very unreliable and weak these days. On top of that, very few junglers are viable after the change. Only bruisers are still around. Tanks are not viable. Assassins are not viable.

Riot, listen to this please. Junglers don't need more gold. Junglers NEED MORE XP from the jungle. Otherwise only very few junglers are viable, and even then not very reliable.

TL;DR Junglers fall behind too easily compared to solo laners unless circumstances are very good. Jungle camps need to award more XP to bring variety in picks and reliability to junglers in general.

21 Comments

Grimspeake9 votes

yeah the gold isnt to bad now but the xp hurts i hate being lvl 4 trying to gsnk a 6 midlaner and getting blown up

coppinslinger1 votes

This is a common mistake I see a lot of junglers make.

If you are 2 levels below mid-lane in the early game, or especially not lvl-6 when they are, you should never gank.

The probability that you'll get blown up by them or that you'll get counterganked and die is just too high.

Vesarixx3 votes

That's the problem though, you shouldn't be 2 levels behind the laners by default, you would actually be better off in terms of XP in a duo lane now, there just isn't enough xp from the jungle right now, it's not even an issue of just getting behind due to mistakes, whenever I hit tab both junglers are 2-3 levels behind the rest of the game, I don't know how they're expected to have an impact like that, especially if you donate buffs.

WeedTits1 votes

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yeah the gold isnt to bad now but the xp hurts i hate being lvl 4 trying to gsnk a 6 midlaner and getting blown up

This has literally always been the case. New to jungling perhaps?

Çôdą4 votes

This is true, normally when I play Champions like Khazix , Shaco and Evelynn I'm insanely low on Hp constantly and get destroyed by laning Champions or I get lucky and somehow get a kill steal.

PapaShongo534 votes

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This is true, normally when I play Champions like Khazix , Shaco and Evelynn I'm insanely low on Hp constantly and get destroyed by laning Champions or I get lucky and somehow get a kill steal.

I don't play the others but I'm not sure why you are so low on HP with Shaco . The boxes tank and your E blinds monsters. Also as those junglers you should spend your time killing their jungler while they get low fighting the jungle camps.

Shaco Protip: If you start on the buff of the same side as your opponent, especially as Blue side starting at Red, get your lane to give you 2 AA's and save smite. The enemy jungler likely got a leash on Gromp/Krugs and used smite, you can hustle over to his buff and smite steal it.

junglerboy163 votes

just make machete give 10% more exp from jungle monsters and we're set. They could even reduce base xp and use the bonus from jungle items as a lever to de-incentivize poaching camps early on.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

this is my idea* i had this idea too*, it would really help. unfortunatly they are using gold as their tuning lever and not xp.

edit: wording.

toxıc sIut3 votes

Like, really. I don't care that I get my warrior enchant faster, faster items don't help me when I'm a level down on their GODDAMN SUPPORT even when I am doing well and clearing camps almost as soon as they come up.

What Is Smite1 votes

this is actually not an issue with me, if you are really efficient with your jungling then you can hit lvl 6 before your bot lane does which is takes about the same time when S4 Jungle was around. The key to jungling is time management and knowing what paths will be the most efficient for your clears, I'm guessing you guys don't take the scuttle crab right? Well that's a big mistake and it provides a really good amount of XP and gold for a single camp that does not fight back

junglerboy161 votes

I take scuttle crab every time it is up, if only to life steal off of it. I still am usually around 3 levels behind top and mid and 1-2 behind bot lane even when I optimize my jungle route and counter jungle and gank at the best opportunity. I'm planning on picking up Xin Zhao since he looks like the most fun of the junglers who seem to be able to keep up well.

WeedTits1 votes

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I take scuttle crab every time it is up, if only to life steal off of it. I still am usually around 3 levels behind top and mid and 1-2 behind bot lane even when I optimize my jungle route and counter jungle and gank at the best opportunity. I'm planning on picking up Xin Zhao since he looks like the most fun of the junglers who seem to be able to keep up well.

And you are just doing something horribly wrong if you're THAT behind on levels and you've optimized your path. Or you're still trying to make Evelynn work. Also, lifesteal on a jungler? I would never.

junglerboy161 votes

Oops, not life steal, but get the regen from my jungle item. I try to play mostly tanks jungles like Sion, and even when doing really well I still have no xp (like, even if I have 10 assists and more gold than my top lamer, I'm still behind in levels).

Dryditch1 votes

Xin kills it in the jungle.

He finishes his clear blue side with full health and mana at lv 4, goes back for first buy, then sweeps up a few camps before a lv 5 dragon or a super early gank.

What Is Smite1 votes

Xin is a good jungler his pathing through the jungle helps people learn how to be more efficient than they already are and he also helps with time management, but if you're behind in levels then you probably are backing a lot when you can clear about 1-2 more camps

junglerboy161 votes

Yeah, I'm not new to the jungle, I have mained it since I hit level 3 and I know how to be efficient. The problem is if I have even 1 failed gank or if I get killed at any point, I almost never have a real opportunity to catch up in XP. I usually come out pretty well in terms of gold, but the XP is just bad right now.

balbraaksel1 votes

Just curious, why hasn't the meta changed to a double jungle team with an APC on bottom, AD assassin mid and tank/bruiser top?

j j1 votes

Back in the day junglers were always 1-2 levels under solo laners and it was awesome. Having junglers being the same level as solo laners if not higher if they afk'd in the jungle for awhile was just crazy. Of course a gank will be successful if 2 people ult you. Lol.. You had to actually rely on teamwork for your gank to succeed knowing you were behind by 2 lvls to solo laners.

ImHerVoice1 votes

riots shir balancing ruined the role. I played mid/top lane to get back to diamond 1 on my LAN account and spammed fiddle sticks jungle while taxing waves on my KR account to get back to diamond there as well.

Riot has utterly ruined the role. The champion pool is so small it makes me vomit.

Mugi71 votes

Should it not be that way tho? Laners have alot more going on than a Jungler. You should not be able to farm jungle and come out ahead of a Laner or even be on par for that matter.

At least now you have to be more strategic when ganking or you might just get blown up.

The Ellimiist1 votes

Tbh I think the point of jungler xp decrease is that jungler ganks were too strong before. 2v1 with 2 level 6 is alot worse than lvl 6 laner and lvl 4/5 jungle

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