The thing that really pisses me off about zed isnt his high burst.

we havent met··12 votes·3,808 views

It's more so the inevitability that you shoved him in the fucking dirt by chance, it's already hard to beat him in lane. And even at 0/4/0 He can still all in you harder than you can all in him. So fucking irritating that mechanics like that exist. Assassins should be punished if they do poorly not rewarded.

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Katareener7 votes

How to Zed:

  1. Press R on squishy
  2. Miss everything
  3. Auto attack them a few times
  4. Switch back to your ult shadow
  5. +300g
The thigh guy4 votes

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How to Zed:

  1. Press R on squishy
  2. Miss everything
  3. Auto attack them a few times
  4. Switch back to your ult shadow
  5. +300g

Hey give them some credit. They land their spin. That they physically can’t miss after their ult.

Katareener4 votes

Fair enough lol

preternatural4 votes

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Hey give them some credit. They land their spin. That they physically can’t miss after their ult.

I've seen things

Daddy Ants7 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/c259afbe4c6dbfcc60e83f1d2172d3d2.png

Looks for Seeker's Armguard

I rest my case.

You do realize that vs AD assassin's you should buy some armor, right?

A Fully stacked Seeker's Armguard is enough armor to negate the armor penetration granted by both a item 3147 and item 3142 for the entire game.

Here's the armor penetration values per level for lethality items

Duskblade - https://i.gyazo.com/41d18bc0e1dc5399869106316fbc587b.png

Ghostblade - https://i.gyazo.com/22ee866886dcb3b515fc84af27c9aaf8.png

 

If you're gonna whine about a champion, please learn to itemize against them before doing so.

The thigh guy4 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/c259afbe4c6dbfcc60e83f1d2172d3d2.png

Looks for Seeker's Armguard

I rest my case.

You do realize that vs AD assassin's you should buy some armor, right?

A Fully stacked Seeker's Armguard is enough armor to negate the armor penetration granted by both a item 3147 and item 3142 for the entire game.

Here's the armor penetration values per level for lethality items

Duskblade - https://i.gyazo.com/41d18bc0e1dc5399869106316fbc587b.png

Ghostblade - https://i.gyazo.com/22ee866886dcb3b515fc84af27c9aaf8.png

 

If you're gonna whine about a champion, please learn to itemize against them before doing so.

If only tank stats worked in this game. Then that might be an actual solution.

Pika Fox1 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/c259afbe4c6dbfcc60e83f1d2172d3d2.png

Looks for Seeker's Armguard

I rest my case.

You do realize that vs AD assassin's you should buy some armor, right?

A Fully stacked Seeker's Armguard is enough armor to negate the armor penetration granted by both a item 3147 and item 3142 for the entire game.

Here's the armor penetration values per level for lethality items

Duskblade - https://i.gyazo.com/41d18bc0e1dc5399869106316fbc587b.png

Ghostblade - https://i.gyazo.com/22ee866886dcb3b515fc84af27c9aaf8.png

 

If you're gonna whine about a champion, please learn to itemize against them before doing so.

Lux hard destroys zed as well.... Literally just press W. Congrats, you countered zed's all in.

Hurt him all game and get a kill or two early, and he will look for any opportunity to R you.and will do so under tower. W, Q when he appears, free kill.

Daddy Ants6 votes

Aww salty mage main just downvoted me?

XDDDDD

I'm not even a Zed player and I'm amused when a Mage builds full glass cannon, dies to Zed and comes crying on the boards.

we havent met3 votes

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Daddy Ants2 votes

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You have 500 levels in game and over 500 ranked games and you're still gold. Please stop talking lmao

Did I touch a nerve?

You build full glass cannon vs a penetration stacking assassin, lose and come crying on the boards for nerfs to a champion who is statistically BALANCED.

My level and rank are irrelevant and you're simply trying to divert attention away from the fact that I've called you out about your lack of itemization against your lane opponent.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ReliableCooperativeRuffTooSpicy

Seekers + Tear components on a 0/2 Kassadin vs a 2/0 Zed with item 3142 who lands every single ability.

This guy is a challenger Zed and probably one of the best Zed's in NA.

Mage players need to get their heads out of the sky and accept the fact that sometimes you cannot autopilot rush a Ludens.

Deνiruchi4 votes

But most of the time you have to rush ludens, simply for the mana. Mages can struggle to wave clear properly and harrasing a lane opponent that doesn't have mana costs and has more mobility.

Yenn2 votes

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Did I touch a nerve?

You build full glass cannon vs a penetration stacking assassin, lose and come crying on the boards for nerfs to a champion who is statistically BALANCED.

My level and rank are irrelevant and you're simply trying to divert attention away from the fact that I've called you out about your lack of itemization against your lane opponent.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ReliableCooperativeRuffTooSpicy

Seekers + Tear components on a 0/2 Kassadin vs a 2/0 Zed with item 3142 who lands every single ability.

This guy is a challenger Zed and probably one of the best Zed's in NA.

Mage players need to get their heads out of the sky and accept the fact that sometimes you cannot autopilot rush a Ludens.

Stop posting this idiocy. He jumped the gun instead of waiting 15 seconds for Ignite, which would have killed Kassadin, and he screwed up his W. If he hadn't wasted his W, he would have still gotten the kill without Ignite.

On top of that, even though he didn't kill Kassadin, he forced him out of lane, denying him hundreds of gold, and took at least one plate.

Kassadin is also one of the only AP mid laner that doesn't have to rush a Chapter to stay in lane. Rushing Armguard instead of Chapter guarantees you lose the lane, just more indirectly via not being able to clear and Zed either killing you while you're OOM or roaming while you're too OOM to follow. You don't have to be killed to lose your lane.

The idea that you can and should 'just rush defensive items' is a low elo phenomenon that you'll rarely, almost never, see a good player do. The rare times you do see it, they've already been removed from the game and are just hoping they can minimize the damage while their carries them. Offensive itemization outscales defensive itemization and has more important utility that is useful against the other four players on the enemy team.

CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votes

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Stop posting this idiocy. He jumped the gun instead of waiting 15 seconds for Ignite, which would have killed Kassadin, and he screwed up his W. If he hadn't wasted his W, he would have still gotten the kill without Ignite.

On top of that, even though he didn't kill Kassadin, he forced him out of lane, denying him hundreds of gold, and took at least one plate.

Kassadin is also one of the only AP mid laner that doesn't have to rush a Chapter to stay in lane. Rushing Armguard instead of Chapter guarantees you lose the lane, just more indirectly via not being able to clear and Zed either killing you while you're OOM or roaming while you're too OOM to follow. You don't have to be killed to lose your lane.

The idea that you can and should 'just rush defensive items' is a low elo phenomenon that you'll rarely, almost never, see a good player do. The rare times you do see it, they've already been removed from the game and are just hoping they can minimize the damage while their carries them. Offensive itemization outscales defensive itemization and has more important utility that is useful against the other four players on the enemy team.

Here is little thread about lvl6 zeds dmg

If you'll get armguard and stack it, you will survive his R and 2 Q 2 E AA combo without barrier, sound pretty good.

Yenn4 votes

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Here is little thread about lvl6 zeds dmg

If you'll get armguard and stack it, you will survive his R and 2 Q 2 E AA combo without barrier, sound pretty good.

This is entirely useless.

You barely survive, get forced out of lane, lose at least one plate and at least one full wave of minions. You're completely fucked and have lost the lane, even though he didn't kill you. If you took virtually any damage before he ulted, you're dead anyway.

It also shows no understanding of Zed. He doesn't 100 to 0 you at level 6. He 100 to 0's you once he completes his first item. Prior to that, he tries to land a W + E + Q while you're CSing. After he lands one, you have to either leave the lane (again, you lose by being forced out of lane), or you can stay and he kills you with his ult when his cooldowns are back up.

IP Masquerena1 votes

And that's what most people don't understand about Zed.

He's win-win versus any mage that needs a Chapter.

  • You buy Chapter to be able to compete in the lane, he'll hurt you like hell, force you out of lane or kill you because WEQ alone pre 6.
  • You don't buy Champter and buy a Seeker's instead, he can't kill you that fast, but he can just push you in and you can't compete as you don't have mana.

And let's not even talk about his bull shit passive, why does he need 30 free damage against creeps level 1 with no conditions or cooldown again?

IP Masquerena5 votes

All the credit to his bull passive. As long as it works on creeps he'll be able to pull some weird stuff out of his back hole.

Just remove his passive from working on creeps and boom, Zed is more balanced and not as easy to play.

DarwinTheory5 votes

Zed is a scumbag champ that needs to be hard nerfed.

If he's shoving you in lane he can shadow to escape ganks.

If you're shoving him he hard can clear waves and gold farm with his abilities, wait for a gank then all in you and snowball.

And worst of all that fucker can run into lane. Ult you. All in you. Shadow out. And even if he doesn't kill you he can base and by the time he's back in lane ult you again. It's a really stupid broken ult to have on such a low cool down. He can basically ult you 3/4 times before Zhonya is back up.

Zed or Yi get instabanned in my games because they're uncontrollable by mid game and offer far too much unpredictable power to the enemy team.

And I want to kill myself IRL when I ban yi, my mid bans blitzcrank then zed ends up 10/0 Vs them. I feel so fucking powerless.

GankLord4 votes

I don't mind his damage but he shouldn't also get good wave clear. The passive allows him to last hit easily. Shuriken should be reduced against minions.

nut on mic4 votes

I mean if you go 4-0 and don't buy Zhonyas, you deserve to lose the next 1v1. [slayer-jinx-wink]

we havent met6 votes

If i go 4-0 and im ahead of him i definitely shouldnt be walking on eggshells to play against him. Nor should i just auto lose the 1v1. You're wrong there

Rock MD1 votes

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If i go 4-0 and im ahead of him i definitely shouldnt be walking on eggshells to play against him. Nor should i just auto lose the 1v1. You're wrong there

You have slow, telegraphed projectiles that are extremely easy to dodge. What do you mean you shouldn't auto lose the 1v1?

I get it if you're ahead of a champion you should feel like you have obvious power on them, but Lux has absolutely no duel potential whatsoever. She's so easy to bait out and kill. In return, you contribute a massive amount of crowd control and shielding to teamfights. What is Zed supposed to do against 400-600 shield on every champion in a teamfight?

If you said he should be able to do nothing against that in a teamfight, congratulations, now you know why he wins duels against you.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

you can kill someone 90 times. If they are still getting their Items and levels is means nothing. People don't magically do less damage because they died, just like you magically don't take less damage because you have kills. People need to stop looking at KDA and actually look at what the items and lvls of their opponents are. Means nothing if someone is 0/5/0 when they are still CSing better than you and you never take advantage of the fact that they died by denying them CS and exp by shoving the minions into their turret

Salron1 votes

If you're against a 0/4 Zed in lane and he still has kill pressure against you then you're just legitimately bad at the game

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