It'd be cool if we could actually nerf blitzs hook instead of tapping his armor

we havent met·Oct 31, 2019·54 votes·16,116 views

Like surprise surprise hes still tier 1 despite the nerf. its almost like he didnt need the hook buff at all

36 Comments

Daddy AntsOct 31, 201935 votes

Don't worry they're tapping 20 damage from his hook at rank 5.

It's almost like they think it's the damage of his Q that's the issue.

toby mcteagueOct 31, 20193 votes

Blitz hook is not an issue lol.

Daddy AntsNov 1, 20192 votes

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Blitz hook is not an issue lol.

It wasn't an issue before the range buff.

Velzard of KozOct 31, 201910 votes

They know very well it was the range buff that broke him, they just desperately want to keep it in.

SweedishGunnerOct 31, 201920 votes

It's how Riot works these days. Pushes a stupid buff that breaks the champion and then instead of reverting the buff they nerf other things that aren't the problem.

It's actually insane.

ChaddyFantomeOct 31, 201912 votes

This. Been saying it for years now.

hhaavviikkOct 31, 20198 votes

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It's how Riot works these days. Pushes a stupid buff that breaks the champion and then instead of reverting the buff they nerf other things that aren't the problem.

It's actually insane.

reminds me of malzahar ''hey riot malzahar's passive is too strong' proceeds to nerf litterally every ability malzahar has except for his passive ''riot seriously'' nerfs passive while keeping all other nerfs

Josh SandOct 31, 20197 votes

The thing that also get me, is that they leave it in a shit state for months at a time.

They have made some supremely stupid buffs, they ignore community complaints for months, then finally and quietly come around to listening to reason.

Who in the hell is deciding to keep broken shit in the game for months at a time, instead of listening and just reverting their mistake?

ZyniyaOct 31, 201912 votes

As all the cool kids say nerf his hooks by dodging. LUL I'm surprised Sona has been at the top of the bords in low elo we can't dodge a hook to save a life and you know you're going from 100-0

toby mcteagueOct 31, 20196 votes

Blitzcrank needed that range buff.

He’s extremely lackluster compared to other hook supports.

Naut misses his hook? Its ok he can contribute to a fight with his Ultimate. He can use his q to escape as well.

Pyke missed his hook? He still has mobility, sistain and a some cc if anything goes wrong. Has an escape!

Thesh has better utility overall, and even can use his e and ult if anything goes wrong. If he misses his hook, he does lose lane pressure tho. He also has an escape. And for a teammate as well!

What does blitz have? He literally depends on one ability. His q. Its pretty much hit or miss. Other than that, he doesnt contribute much to teamfights. Thats why he needs the best hook in the game.

Josh SandOct 31, 201912 votes

Blitz hook is a one shot button. You arent guaranteed dead from other hook champs like you are with Blitz.

You cant Zhonyas through Blitz's chain CC like you can vs other hook champs.

Thresh and Pyke both telegraph their hooks unlike Blitz does.

Thresh hook travel speed is slower than Blitz hook.

Naut cant hook through terrain like Blitz can.

When Naut hooks an enemy, hes moved into a more forward (and potentially more dangerous) position.

Blitz can launch hooks all day from relative safety and almost always guarantees a 100-0 play from it.

Blitz can literally miss 49 hooks in a single game, but can still win it if his 50th hook lands, Zhonyas or not.

toby mcteagueNov 1, 20192 votes

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Blitz hook is a one shot button. You arent guaranteed dead from other hook champs like you are with Blitz.

You cant Zhonyas through Blitz's chain CC like you can vs other hook champs.

Thresh and Pyke both telegraph their hooks unlike Blitz does.

Thresh hook travel speed is slower than Blitz hook.

Naut cant hook through terrain like Blitz can.

When Naut hooks an enemy, hes moved into a more forward (and potentially more dangerous) position.

Blitz can launch hooks all day from relative safety and almost always guarantees a 100-0 play from it.

Blitz can literally miss 49 hooks in a single game, but can still win it if his 50th hook lands, Zhonyas or not.

I mean, you are pointing out the obvious. Like I said, there are pros and cons to every hook champion mentioned. Blitz has almost no utility outside of his hook. You need to read my comment again.

only lucianoOct 31, 201910 votes

-Blitz's hook is the only one that reliably pull champs thru walls

Because of that he is the best hook engage -Has a point and click knock up which can be also used as peel
Has a speed boost to get away/engage
Has the strongest ultimate as a hook support
Ultimate is an AOE silence. Which can prevent MUTIPLE champs from using their get out of jail card for free ( or burst spells from )
Shortest cool down on an ultimate as a hook support (30 seconds or less late game)

I think he contributes fine in team fights or else nobody would use him pass bronze.

toby mcteagueNov 2, 20191 votes

Youve still pointed out the obvious. Like I’ve said before, every hook champion has their pros and cons.

“Blitz's hook is the only one that reliably pull champs thru walls”

Yes, his hook is the best hook for engage?

Naut has the highest tankiness of every hook champion, as well as the most cc. He can still engage pretty far with his ultimate, which is point and click.

Thresh has the most utility and playmaking potential. He can set up ganks very well, and has the lowest cooldown of any hook if he consistently lands them.

Pyke has the most mobility and damage. He can snowball games very easily with his ultimate.

Blitz has the best hook in the game. He’s binary yes. He does not have reliable engage, no real escape, and a pretty lackluster ultimate. If he misses his hook, he cant really contribute that much to teamfights.

Your comment doesnt really add anything to the discussion.

only lucianoNov 4, 20191 votes

Dude I just did and you are trying to shut me out like a 14 year old kid.

Do you not understand how useful a silence is in a team fight. That can mean the difference between a Zed killing your carry or stopping Vlad from going into his pool. And it's AOE! And it also does massive damage, especially against a squishy. Blitz hook combo with his R can kill an adc alone. Blitz also can engage with his speed boost in his kit. Making him the fastest hook support in a game. This can be scary with item 3117 and a decent player. Blitz knockup is useful too because item 3111 doesn't reduce the duration of it.

HeeroTXOct 31, 20192 votes

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He’s extremely lackluster compared to other hook supports.

This is why the range buff was STUPID. If Blitz is lackluster (and he is) then what he needs is a REWORK, not a buff. As you said, Blitz is basically one ability and that's it. So either that ability will be oppressive or near to worthless. He's the very definition of a binary champion because the entirety of his kit entirely revolves around whether or not he can hit that ONE ability. The only way to "fix" him is to give him some realistic amount of utility one SOMETHING else in his kit.

One thing that could be interesting, reduce the range on his hook, but put his E on the OTHER hand and make it shoot out to maybe 250 range.

hhaavviikkNov 1, 20191 votes

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Blitzcrank needed that range buff.

He’s extremely lackluster compared to other hook supports.

Naut misses his hook? Its ok he can contribute to a fight with his Ultimate. He can use his q to escape as well.

Pyke missed his hook? He still has mobility, sistain and a some cc if anything goes wrong. Has an escape!

Thesh has better utility overall, and even can use his e and ult if anything goes wrong. If he misses his hook, he does lose lane pressure tho. He also has an escape. And for a teammate as well!

What does blitz have? He literally depends on one ability. His q. Its pretty much hit or miss. Other than that, he doesnt contribute much to teamfights. Thats why he needs the best hook in the game.

the only reason blitz seems ''lackluster'' is because Pyke has an insane kit, allot of shit looks lackluster when compared to pyke his kit in the ''support'' role

XJ99999999999999Oct 31, 20193 votes

blitz nerf was nothing

they'll gut him once the skin sales go down for his new halloween skin

Metal JannaOct 31, 20192 votes

Blitz needs survivability nerfs. If not his armor, then his MR or HP or his passive.

Thresh and Leona die when they go all in for a close range hook (A tactic I call The Blitz) and fail it. Blitzcrank should too.

Eat one skillshot and you die kill pressure should not also come with safety. (same story with Pyke and Nautilus).

toby mcteagueNov 2, 20192 votes

Blitz is tankier than thresh, but Leona and Nautilus are way tankier and have more cc. Leona doesnt always die when she goes all in. What are you smoking?

Metal JannaNov 2, 20192 votes

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Blitz is tankier than thresh, but Leona and Nautilus are way tankier and have more cc. Leona doesnt always die when she goes all in. What are you smoking?

I can agree with all of that. It just seems like Leo and Thresh die when they fail an all-in, which I think is fair given how much kill pressure they bring.

musixxalOct 31, 20191 votes

blitz is honestly fine lol. just gotta be better than whoever is playing blitz.

ZyniyaOct 31, 201935 votes

Classic yet worded differently they meant to say "dont get hooked"

musixxalOct 31, 20193 votes

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Classic yet worded differently they meant to say "dont get hooked"

well depends, if I'm leona I probably want to get hooked, same for alistar.

a cool one to do, if you're a sicko, is play support ekko and just put the W on blitz so he pulls you into it.

ﬂooOct 31, 201912 votes

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well depends, if I'm leona I probably want to get hooked, same for alistar.

a cool one to do, if you're a sicko, is play support ekko and just put the W on blitz so he pulls you into it.

Yea we should all just play support Ekko, Blitz is so trash tier wtf

musixxalOct 31, 20191 votes

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Yea we should all just play support Ekko, Blitz is so trash tier wtf

he is though. but i suppose people only have meta picks to go by or something.

ﬂooOct 31, 20194 votes

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he is though. but i suppose people only have meta picks to go by or something.

yea he's been made tough without reason Hook and engage supports have been meta for some time now and they decided to throw blitz some buffs as well, which make him top tier now. Even though his entire kit revolves around picking 1 target and killing them with the least counter play possible, I don't think he should be meta in the first place. A random ekko support pick that can deal with him isn't gonna make him unviable.

Them lovetapping him in other regards and not addressing the actual problem is a terrible choice for both sides. It keeps what makes him toxic and also makes it feel shit to play as.

mack9112Oct 31, 20191 votes

It was a refreshing change to the champion created a lot more unique interactions.

People just have to relearn the range which they dislike.

MihalikbNov 1, 20192 votes

You mean the range that so idiotic that if any ADC playing against Blitz even thinks about poking gets grabbed?

You mean the range that allows him to grab you across two walls in the jungle if he has vision?

You mean the range that allows him to grab you from behind your Tower while he is standing outside tower range?

That range?

NightlyRogueOct 31, 20191 votes

Riot doesn't like admitting to their mistakes

NithkeOct 31, 20191 votes

Riot does that so often, they do an unnecessary buff to a champion (that suddenly gets a skin a bit later, strange COINCIDENCE), nobody likes, nobody wants it, it ruins the balance of a champion, making it frustrating to fight against and Riot notices the champion having +4 points on winrate and instead of reverting a bad buff they will do some useless nerfs next to it, as if they actually believed the changes they made were good

Prestige EveOct 31, 20191 votes

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Like surprise surprise hes still tier 1 despite the nerf. its almost like he didnt need the hook buff at all

I seriously hate the fact that any attempt at letting Blitz Solo Lane was ruined over Riot refusing to just focus on his hook. They nerfed his speed boost by adding the slow (Yes, making it harder to catch people fucking does that) in a mobility focused meta and now they're touching other stuff because they want to make his Q better. What about people who want to play him as anything other than support, you know, like how he was designed to be a bruiser in top lane?

CominTowardsYaNov 1, 20191 votes

No need to nerf his hook, just practice side stepping and creep blocking his hook.

Minimac2000Nov 1, 20191 votes

They are decreasing his q damage significantly next patch

BackdoorPrincessNov 1, 20191 votes

As an Illaoi main I'm all for the blitz meta, please grab me into your team so I can get an easy bigass ult that conveniently dodges your knockup also

BlaxonecNov 1, 20191 votes

As a blitz main I can say that he is in good spot right now but not OP for sure. That +100 range buff didnt change him A LOT, it just reminded people that this champ exists and is very strong. His hook was a problem even before that, its just too strong disposition. He has some major flaws vs other hook champs.

Thresh is superior in every term vs him. His kit delivers better CC time. A little lower dmg but with great gank potential with W. Ultimate is good but blitz is better because of silence.
Pyke has better CC time also which scales, his kit is beyond broken. I really dont want to comment it. His hook actually is bad but everything else is broken.
Naut hook is kinda meh but combined with passive + W + E its a better engagement tool. His R is the best. Point and click the adc and allow someone from the team to delete the target.

Blitz falls of late game. Grabbing is not that easy when you play vs skilled team. If the enemy team is ahead even a perfect grab doesnt change the game. He becomes OP when your team is ahead. I still prefer to play Lux as support than him.