Kai Sa is giving me brain tumors

report yasuo·Apr 1, 2018·3 votes·1,117 views

I personally think Kai'Sa is a disgusting champion I ban her every game, because her passives dmg and the part where it states and "nearby allies' Stun icon immobilizing effects mark enemies with Plasma for 4 seconds" Its bs it makes her able to sit there twiddling her thumbs then let her team do one cc ability and let her flying in there with a 900 shield late game lasting for 3 seconds, her q's damage is insanley high the invis on her e makes me sick and the dmg on the w when you go ap makes me wanna kms. I strongly believe she needs nerfs because she's like a brain-dead version of Vayne and that's just bs.

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Umbral RegentApr 1, 20182 votes

I'm pretty sure that the reason allied CC applies Caustic Wounds is so that Kai'Sa can capitalize on teammates landing good crowd control shots by diving on unsuspecting backliners with Killer Instinct, and turn the tide of a fight. Which, it's a really nice thing to have, honestly - it makes things more interesting than just "enemy turtles up and hopes that their wall of meat doesn't break".

As for her other abilities;

Icathian Rain only really does substantial damage if you're isolated, and in teamfights, that'll be a rare occurrence. If you're taking the brunt of 6-12 Icathian Rain shots, you might want to figure out how to position yourself that Kai'Sa is either not close enough to hit you with it, or that her damage gets spread out across multiple targets.
Void Seeker has a lengthy cooldown and it's a fairly narrow skillshot, only just wider than Jhin's Deadly Flourish. Outside of that, it's a ridiculously versatile ability, being a lighter Hawkshot while also serving as a damaging ability. If you're getting hit, you're either not moving enough, not expecting it, or are getting point-blank shot.
Supercharger having invisibility is hardly an issue, as it's actually kind of a kiss/curse sort of situation. In order to get the evolution, she has to buy Attack Speed (100% total bonus AS), which both increases her movement speed and decreases her Charge time, which consequently decreases the amount of time she's invisible. Which, if she has the evolution, her invisibility actually lasts shorter than Vayne's Final Hour-empowered Tumble.
If Killer Instinct's shield wasn't there, it'd just be a longer ranged Shunpo on a bigger cooldown, and it'd make Kai'Sa way too easy to kill. If she's going to be playing dangerously by diving into the enemy backline, she should have some reliable personal protection to compensate for her being a lightweight AD/Mage hybrid carry.

I can't wholly speak for Icathian Rain's damage, though, as I run a Hybrid Damage on-hit build, so Q isn't much of a concern to me, but I figure that if Kai'Sa needs balance work (and I really don't think she needs too much, if any at all), her Q might be a possible lever.

At the same time, though, you probably just need to learn how to play around her.

ProfDrDeathApr 1, 20182 votes

Supercharger having invisibility is hardly an issue, as it's actually kind of a kiss/curse sort of situation. In order to get the evolution, she has to buy Attack Speed (100% total bonus AS), which both increases her movement speed and decreases her Charge time, which consequently decreases the amount of time she's invisible. Which, if she has the evolution, her invisibility actually lasts shorter than Vayne's Final Hour-empowered Tumble.

The invisibility on Supercharger is always 0.5 seconds. Minimum charge time is 0.6 seconds, so she'll always be charging for a longer time than she is invisible.

Kai'sa will also be nerfed by 8.7's nerf to Rageblade's cost, which is increased by 300 gold.

VenompawApr 1, 20181 votes

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The invisibility on Supercharger is always 0.5 seconds. Minimum charge time is 0.6 seconds, so she'll always be charging for a longer time than she is invisible.

Kai'sa will also be nerfed by 8.7's nerf to Rageblade's cost, which is increased by 300 gold.

Yay, I don't build rage blade on Kai'sa anyway. So, it's a buff. (Or rather stopped as of recently.) The six hits to actually become useful is actually TOO MUCH.

Umbral RegentApr 1, 20181 votes

Huh, neat. I'm not sure anyone would rightly notice those tenths of a second, but it's pretty interesting regardless.

As for the Guinsoo's Rageblade nerf, I'd say that's pretty agreeable. Alongside the fact that they're trying to cut cases of Guinsoo's being a first-buy, and the high synergy it has on hypercarries (Varus, Kai'Sa, Kog'Maw, to name three), I don't think the extra 300g cost is gonna be a bad kind of hurt, all said.

VenompawApr 1, 20181 votes

Kai'sa is overpowered. Oh and I'm not the only one that thinks Kai'sa is a no-skilled version of Vayne.

if you ignore Kai'sa's Q, you're doing it wrong.

HethaleanApr 1, 20181 votes

checks profile Oh, plays a lot of Zed, Lee Sin, and Yasuo. OK. I'm surprised you dislike Kai Sa then.

VICKLIUSApr 1, 20181 votes

it would help if you did comparisons, and showed math, like 1000 ap vs Diana pass, Diana does 800ap + 250base 3 aa, vs kaisa 1500ap + 100 base +57%missing hp 5aa, now add 2/3 of just Diana's ap(other 2 aa)=528+800=1328+250base=1578, so near even base dmg, but the %missing hp puts kaisa ahead, if you get someone to 30%hp her pass will kill ( 70 missing * .50=35%dmg), however dmg is lost if w is used(0 stack w used, +60base -30%ap, 1stack+60 -40%, 2stack +60 -60%,3 stacks +80-30%,4 stacks +100+5%)

however most ppl think she is weak, she cant team dive because she is a non burst assassin who gets no bonus from building tank which I would like see incorporated into her ult for evolve.

Q 1000 ap, vs 1 target evolved =1720ap+475base=2200 dmg

W 1000ap= 450+120=570 so not as strong as other champions' w abilities

I did math for you, would u like to hear my opinions on changes for her?

report yasuoApr 2, 20181 votes

wtf does this have to do with anything did you just pull out Diana out of your a Sona Sona ?

VICKLIUSApr 2, 20181 votes

well you were complaining about the passive's damage, so I chose a champion w/ a similar damaging passive to compare vs kaisa to show how much more dmg kaisa's passive does.