Kat Balance Suggestion

doiminat0r3600·May 26, 2015·5 votes·855 views

We all hate but we hate her for good reason. Her ult does more damage than almost anyone else's entire kit combines. Along with that, she is point and click for most abilities.

Here is a balance suggestion:

Make her blink like a snowball in ARAM except without the True Damge. That would help rundown her escapes and help her not be so powerful. Not only will this help us know where she is and add some kind of skill to her, but will also make her easier to predict and deal with.

Either do that or make it to where her spin doesnt do extra damage to champions. It is really annoying to face and not only does it deal a massive percentage of our health.

These are just my opinions of some things that could be done to help the community against a kat that has snowballed (Which doesnt take much).

21 Comments

DedriusMay 26, 20153 votes

Katarina is balanced as it is. She has more hard counters in this game than anyone else and she is easy to shut down because her laning phase is pretty bad.

If you are allowing Katarina to get off a full duration ultimate then you deserve to take the full amount of damage, CC her or dash out of it.

Pluie BattanteMay 26, 20153 votes

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doiminat0r3600May 26, 20153 votes

And the fact that she has extreme kill pressure and when she does get a kill, her cooldowns are basically over leaving her to escape, get more kills, or teleport to some unfortunate Support champion.

doiminat0r3600May 26, 20151 votes

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Katarina is balanced as it is. She has more hard counters in this game than anyone else and she is easy to shut down because her laning phase is pretty bad.

This isn't actually true considering that she still is able to dominate in lane if she gets a couple good kills. After she gets the first few kills, she is basically unstoppable unless the entire team focuses her.

If you are allowing Katarina to get off a full duration ultimate then you deserve to take the full amount of damage, CC her or dash out of it.

What if you have no CC or its on cooldown? Sometimes, THAT doesnt even work considering the range on it.

DedriusMay 26, 20152 votes

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This isn't actually true considering that she still is able to dominate in lane if she gets a couple good kills. After she gets the first few kills, she is basically unstoppable unless the entire team focuses her.

The exact same thing goes for literally every assassin there is. If Fizz gets a couple kills he snowballs like crazy, same goes for LeBlanc, Zed, Fiora, Rengar, ect. the list goes on for basically every carry. That is the point of a team game like LoL, if someone gets a few kills then you need to collaborate with your team and focus to shut that champion down.

What if you have no CC or its on cooldown? Sometimes, THAT doesnt even work considering the range on it.

Then that is a misplay on the part of your team or getting outpicked in champ select. If I am playing someone like taric, janna, or anyone else with hard CC against a Kat you better believe that I am going to sit there and wait for you to ult just to CC you and ruin your day. This is not very hard to do which is why Kat is never picked in competitive play, because she is easily shut down with any type of team communication or CC.

And to say Kat has a strong laning phase with "extreme kill pressure" is a little silly. LeBlanc is someone with extreme kill pressure in lane, Kat on the other hand has basically no kill potential until level 6 or unless her enemy laner gets poked down with Q low enough for kat to all in while kat is still healthy enough to do so safely. She is an AP melee in the mid lane with no type of sustain or shield which pretty easily shows that she does not have a very good laning phase. She is easily poked down by ranged champs which the mid lane normally consists of.

Is Kat good in solo queue especially at low elo? Yes because she takes advantage of chaos and miscommunication which happens a lot in solo queue. Playing as or against Kat has a lot less to do with mechanical skill and a lot more to do with decision making. It is not that hard to do her combo and deal good damage but as you raise elo it gets harder and harder to take advantage of the small windows that the enemy gives you. As someone who plays a lot of Katarina and has played against Katarina it is pretty easy to shut her down in lane and for the rest of the game by communicating with your team and calling MIA's.

Or you could just hard counter her in lane which isn't very hard to do either.

Just my input on Katarina.

colesyMay 26, 20153 votes

why do silvers think they know how to balance champions

doiminat0r3600May 26, 20152 votes

Why does rank define what you can do?

colesyMay 26, 20152 votes

because bronzes and silvers have no fucking idea what they're even talking about most of the time. if they knew what they were on about they wouldn't be in bronze or silver.

doiminat0r3600May 26, 20152 votes

If you have legitimate opinions to share about the post that isnt "Youre bad because youre silver" Please feel free to share them.

colesyMay 26, 20153 votes

how about

"to deal with a kat that has snowballed, you do something called applying CC"

if you have drafted a composition incapable of doing this in decent time, or which uses snares rather than stuns, then you deserve to be destroyed in a team fight.

alternatively, you counterpick her in lane and shut her out of her early game, ping warnings to your laners when she goes missing and play safely while she is gone (or pursue her).

she does not need nerfing. I find her absolutely obnoxious to play against, but she does not need nerfing. the only people who ever whine about katarina nerfs are people who get wasted by her and don't want to play around her. these people just happen to frequently be bronzes or silvers. every now and then i'm sure you get a stupid gold or plat crying, but so far literally every single time I have lolking'd someone making a QQ thread they're either unranked or bronze/silver. every time without fail. that should tell you that beating katarina is an l2p issue.

DedriusMay 26, 20151 votes

I agree with this, maybe not the end QQ part but the information in the beginning.

doiminat0r3600May 28, 20151 votes

Yes the information is uesful, (not to mention well known) but also useless if you dont have a CC spell or only a root ( Ryze ) that doesnt block her damage and she still is able to use non--mobility spells (Her ult). Also, the counterpick option isnt the best either considering she mainly snowballs in blind pick. Other game modes people actually know how to deal with her. Shockingly enough, lolking doesnt tell you everything about a player (like you seem to think (based off your past comments, youve lolking'd atleast 5 people in the past 3 days and claimed theyre bad because theyre silver)).

Secondly, the 'nerf' i have suggested isnt a nerf. It's more of a balance kind of opinion, one that you do not seem to care about, nor notice.

colesyMay 28, 20152 votes

what, is the game meant to be balanced around blind pick? you know, that game mode where you can even have mirror match ups?

yeah, no.

katarina doesn't need nerfs or changes, you just need to not play badly against her.

doiminat0r3600May 28, 20151 votes

You dont understand it tho. You cant seem to get past your own points about other people's points. The reason i like blind pick is because people are tryhardy and people arent mean all the time. Im sorry that i cant be like you and only play ranked. Report me plz.

LilxPaprikaMay 26, 20152 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/I0mG0jrf-thought-on-katarina?comment=0000

I was thinking more like something around the lines of if she shunpos he ult takes longer to trigger. winds up. since its hard to keep track of where she is by the time you find her in the disorienting chaos that is a team fight and go to cc her. depending on the form of cc that might have to reach her the ult is typically done with anyways.

or how about if she q's someone there's a timer like udyr stun or yasuo dash to someone. whereby so long as that timer is up anytime she q's them again it will be 50% less damage. or just give her resets but resets are worth 50% as much damage (either to all targets or just recently damaged targets). if used in two short a succession. kind of like kassadin ult. if he spams ult it comes at a cost each time.

I mean resets are nice just for the ability to shunpo out and the get movement from sinister steel. its even a blink which is one of the strongest relocation in the game and can be used on wards. just having a shunpo reset is strong on its own. you get the kill and use resets to get out. right now she gets the kill and gets more kills and more and more.

thats what i think it was originally intended for like tristana w. as tristana i don't usually w into people unless i know i can get kill to w out. sure i can snow ball with it but a lot less than a kat can. actually takes a moment to shoot a few auto attacks kat can just spam keys. maybe increase the cooldown on sinister steel but give her movement speed for a bit longer like 1.5 seconds. that ways its more an escape mechanism...

doiminat0r3600May 26, 20151 votes

I think that is a good idea for nerfing her blink ability and causing less chaos. But the thing about it winding up is that it would take too long to do (depending on the balancing) and the one that is targeted could move to a less favourable spot.

if used in two short a succession. kind of like kassadin ult. if he spams ult it comes at a cost each time. This is also a problem considering the only cost for Kat is her cooldowns, which if she gets a kill, is basically 30 seconds. Then if she happens to get a tripple kill off 3 unfortunate, low health team mates, she can simply blink to the remaining 2 champions and kill them as well with her ult (since the cooldown isnt there again and she can keep killing).

LilxPaprikaMay 26, 20151 votes

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This is also a problem considering the only cost for Kat is her cooldowns,

The cost would be by making her do like 50% less damage if she used the same spell on the same target in too short a succession.

doiminat0r3600May 26, 20151 votes

Which wouldnt be a terrible thing. Its not like she can kill you in less than a second with 2 spells. Even Leblanc has moments where she cant do any other spells (when she is traveling in her w). The least that they could do is give something some travel time to where you cant cast abilities like the other Assassins.

61413860_DELMay 27, 20152 votes

Her laning is still shit and a Kat basically ends up as a janitor, cleaning up the kills. That's how she gets fed. She's perfectly balanced. And cc still blocks her ult (pretty sure)

doiminat0r3600May 28, 20151 votes

Anything but a root ( Ryze specifically).