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Peeling the adc!

Hige··6 votes·922 views

So, aside from divers jumping in alone, most of my looses are because I end up peeling myself, this had come to my attention because it happens in quite a lot of games and I'm not entirely sure that it's not my fault, so I come here to ask.

As an adc, If in the middle of a teamfight an enemy jumps you completely alone, what are you supposed to do?

take in account that, the enemy could be anything from an Aatrox to a Zyra (A to Z) and they could theoretically kill you with ease, also, said enemy has apparently free path towards you because your support and everyone else is busy focusing an important target or even diving deeper than the grand canyon.

Should you: A) Ignore the enemy diving you and keep ALL your damage on everyone's target B) Focus ALL your damage on killing the diver before he can kill you C) Run away so that the diver can't deal any sort of damage and simply misses the fight D) Run towards your team while kiting the diver and at risk that everyone's target jumps you as well

28 Comments

Arakadia4 votes

Yeah its kinda sad. People just chase the enemy backline.

I told a taric to sit in the backline and peel, because ya know... he has a good deal of peel and utility. Along with his bastion, he doesnt need to be in the front just to use his abilities, nor does he have much damage. The Taric just relied: "Lol wut. Your saying tanks are front line? lmfao".

I like Syndra and Ahri for this reason. You can keep your self save.

Navarune1 votes

In his defense, Taric can frontline just as well as peel, although that was not what your team needed at the time. There have been many games where I was the solo tank as Taric and had to both initiate and peel, which thanks to his Bastion and ult is not an impossible task, albeit situational and short-lived. The better situation is understanding that "hey, right now we need more peel than initiation because we're getting dove hard." The great thing is that anyone that can initiate can also peel, so long as they properly position and know how to save important CDs.

Also, just a small side note: don't underestimate Taric's damage in a long drawn out engagement. His passive late game turns him into an AP melee bruiser so long as his mana pool can withstand the constant casting to reset his passive.

Navarune2 votes

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Really depends on who you play.

^ This, in addition to considerations of your team comp and your power level during that teamfight.

In general, it is usually better to try and focus down your aggressor first, whether that means kiting into your team or just full-on Kog-Maw style machinegun face-melting. A "good" teamfight is going to look like an American football game, where the frontlines meet, the damage dealers skirt the flanks, and you have downfield and/or backfield peelers/initiators.

Regardless, make a split-second decision and commit to it. Even if it's the wrong one, it's better to commit to a decision than to flop between two choices; the latter usually just gets you and your team killed. For instance, if you commit to fighting your aggressor and you still die, chances are you did do some damage to him and he blew some cooldowns on you, so possibly he's out of the fight too.

Hige1 votes

yeah my problem isn't committing to a choice, often times though I get to kill who focuses me and even the NEXT one that also finds it funny to jump at me, problem is that before I realize, I have a double kill but I'm completely alone ._.

So as you can see, I kite the diver away, I think that if he can't contribute to the fight things would get better for my team since I'm working as a CC beacon... that in practice though, seems to not work properly, they end up dying and by consequence the enemy gets to 3v1 me

Navarune1 votes

In your examples it just sounds like fights your team shouldn't have taken then.

There's no real answer to your question, or at least not one that will cover every scenario. I understand what you're wanting to know, but the problem isn't in which should I ALWAYS target and more about reading where the advantages are, poorly positioned opponents, and some knowledge of power levels (both your own and that of your opponents). There are some more concepts that apply in more evenly matched games that go deeper than that as well, but learning how to make an informed decision based on those factors goes a long way, especially in the lower elos.

Hige2 votes

Well, I know this, I understand the concept of power levels and advantages, sadly I'm the adc, I don't choose when to go in, at least not in my ELO, if I stay away safe they will initiate anyway, so I stay at a reasonable range and try to take advantage of their crazyness, I can't sit down and explain to them why is it that we need to be reactive instead of proactive.

You frame the problem very well but then again, when you can't control that, wat do?

Navarune2 votes

If you can, try to direct the next big step or two that your team takes. If you do well and show that you know your role and how to lane, then sometimes that works; especially if you win lane and then immediately translate your advantage into a win in another lane. Saying, let's go dragon when it's up in 2 is an example of that. "Don't contest" is something you might say if someone pings out that the enemy is doing dragon and you either shouldn't fight them or have a bigger advantage elsewhere (top lane tier 2 turret, for example).

Ultimately, it's a team game and there are just going to be games that are lost no matter what you do, but the good new is you should be learning more from losses than wins. The best thing you can do is look back and see what you could have done differently to impact the game more favorably. Things like "top fed the enemy Riven", "jungle never ganked", "mid never pressured when their opponent was out of lane", etc. should not come into your analysis (even if they are true); postgame should be all about what could I have done differently to win there? Should you have held Heal that one time so you could save your support? Could you have rotated mid earlier with your support and gotten that tower? Maybe your CS game was weaker with a certain champ, so you feel like you need to practice more on that (such was the case with Varus for me. I can't last hit with his atk animation consistently to save my life).

For me, getting the team to go along with your calls is easier when you've met two conditions: show your prowess with your champ, and maintain a positive attitude. The most important is attitude, especially for an ADC since you don't really come online until two items and by that point the game is well along.

Hige2 votes

I wholeheartedly agree! I always try to understand what I could have done better, I've come a long way from the times when I wouldn't know a thing about being an adc and couldn't orbwalk to save my life.

Just wanted to thank you for your insight! I think it's a good thing to have this in these forums so that people can in fact improve instead of the old "Get better scrub!"

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

you can't always kite. you can't kite a vi or a master yi. you have to focus them and kill them. the best way is to exahust them during their engage. or land cc (dont cc vi while shes ulting it won't work)

Friendly Ram1 votes

Really depends on who you play.

Hige1 votes

I agree, though, since most adcs are pretty squishy, which would be the best option when you're ahead?

Friendly Ram1 votes

Quinn graves and ez i 1v1 the diver. Basically anyone else I'd say head towards the team.

Navarune2 votes

You could always learn Tristana. Easy repositioning and self peel, plus her scaling is great and she noms on towers hard.

LostFr0st1 votes

Kite towards the highest cc person on your team, hold alt and click the diver to put a target on their face. It should also simultaneously get your team's attention. If you absolutely need to, flash towards said teammate.

Hige1 votes

I have thought of this but the one time that I tried it, the whole enemy team focused me hard.

Take this example from my last game.

My team: Zilean XinZhao Fizz TahmKench Ashe

Enemy: Yasuo Janna Vladimir Caitlyn Volibear

We are in the dragon area, we walked there because dragon was about to spawn, we walked as 5 ppl, not individually. Fizz ults yasuo and misses his fish but he still goes in, Zilean tries bombing yasuo, Xin dives Cait hard, Tahm... I don't even know, he was in there somewhere. Vlad WALKS towards me and before he's in range I have him half health, he pools, Volibear starts sprinting towards me, Vlad comes up and I end up killing him (Ashe OP), Voli is now like 200 units from me and I kite him but he flips me towards his team, I kill him, my team is all dead now (???) and I have a Yasuo dashing towards me...

LostFr0st3 votes

You're gonna need to try it more than once :P

There's often a sweet spot time in teamfights where your divers are choosing their targets.

If you play any divers then watch a bit what you do before you dive and use that as your cue (some people pace, others stop for a bit).

If you know Vlad is your first problem, target him during that time and they'll go for him (you'll see) then ping the next target.

You can even practice that timing efficiently (timewise) in ARAM if you don't feel like laning.

Godhri1 votes

Like everyone says. it is situation. If your target is low on health, then finish it first. If it still has 40% or more health and you aren't able to kill it in the next 2-3 seconds, then switch to survival mode and re-position yourself.

Ultimately, the best way to avoid this situation is just to position yourself well and since positioning is situational, it's not something I can just tell you.

Other stuff goes into it as well like how likely the enemy is to kill you if you just ignore it.

RogueWill1 votes

What is your tank front lien doing? Do you have a diver front line or do you have a peeling front line?

If your front line is someone like Vi or Wukong you ignore your diver and focus your damage on whoever your front line is focusing. They are already diving and they probably will die quite soon, furthermore they can't peel for you since all of their CC is used on the engage. So you focus whoever they are focusing, accept that you will die and trade backliens for backlines and hope your frontline can't clear the rest (assuming you can't self peal the diver)

Runing away from the diver is only good if you are behind and whoever is diving you has the most amount of gold in their team, that way because of how the gold distribution is your team will win the 4v4 even though you might die or won't be able to do damage at all.

If your front line is a zoner, think Sejuani, Rammus, Maokai, someone that provides constant CC and can keep high priority targets at bay then you run towards your team and then you focus the diver while your tank zone the rest of the team.

The only exception is Yi, you always run towards your team if the diver is Yi, realistically you can't outrun him and if he is already on you he will most likely outdamage you anyway, ruining away will result on a complete loss

Penns1 votes

Youre supposed to die and switch main roles unless you wanna spam Ashe or be useless in soloq hehe xd

Caítlyn1 votes

What you do is die because ADCs are completely useless and your job is to feed gold to the enemy Fizz Volibear etc

Hige2 votes

uhm as ADC you have the highest damage potential and the highest defense potential because of range, it's only natural that you blow up in three hits because you can blow up the enemy in two.

Though I give it to you, positioning is one of the hardest things to do correctly in game.

Caítlyn1 votes

We must be playing a different game because in my LoL ADCs kill people in 10-20 hits, not 2.

Crowe Stalker1 votes

Really, because in all of my games it's 9-12, and that's generous considering everyone but the tanks will die in 2 seconds flat if the Tank doesn't keep the ADC at bay.

Hige1 votes

a hyperbole to your hyperbole buddy!

zlumpy1 votes

Depends on what adc you are.

WaterTribe1 votes

*Losses.

Lose/loss/lost/losses - To lose (verb). I have many losses in League. Loose (adjective). The ropes around him are loose.

Hige1 votes

thank you! I knew there was something wrong about that one but couldn't really pinpoint it!

WaterTribe1 votes

Npnp, hehe.

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