Aftershock is IMO One of the Worst Runes, Here is What I Would Change

Frosted Tips·Jan 27, 2019·10 votes·6,457 views

To start off I think it is so bad because it offers far too much for squishies and far too little for tanks the champions it was designed for.

Most people suggest to make the armor and magic resist buff scale with a percentage of the champions resistance stats, but that only solves 1 of it's big problems. The other problem is the amount of effective time it has. It is only active for 2.5 seconds. This duration is much too short for tanks who want to have extended fights. I think that if Riot added a duration scaling so tanks could have it active for a longer duration then the rune would actually fulfill its purpose. Maybe for ever 100 armor or every 100 magic resist the duration is extended by 1 second. Something along those lines.

19 Comments

TheSingularityJan 27, 20193 votes

Perhaps it starts high and slowly ramps down. As it would match the pattern of melting a tank, as opposed to popping them

Crescent DuskJan 27, 20193 votes

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To start off I think it is so bad because it offers far too much for squishies and far too little for tanks the champions it was designed for.

Most people suggest to make the armor and magic resist buff scale with a percentage of the champions resistance stats, but that only solves 1 of it's big problems. The other problem is the amount of effective time it has. It is only active for 2.5 seconds. This duration is much too short for tanks who want to have extended fights. I think that if Riot added a duration scaling so tanks could have it active for a longer duration then the rune would actually fulfill its purpose. Maybe for ever 100 armor or every 100 magic resist the duration is extended by 1 second. Something along those lines.

Which squishies, Galio and Lissandra, virtually the only midlaners who use it? Pyke for bot and that's about it.

Of the 3, only Pyke could be currently called overtuned.

MoonscourgeJan 27, 20193 votes

It's still amazing. And everybody worth their salt knows it.

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20192 votes

Wait how is aftershock bad for tanks? Its like a free resistance steroid for whenever they engage.

Sure it helps others too but generally what those others also have in common is that they also engage on their own, see lissandra, galio or even some like vi/thresh.

Aftershock is great for anyone looking to initiate.

Frosted TipsJan 27, 20193 votes

The rune becomes less effective as you build armor and magic resist. Giving an extra 100 armor to a target with 300 armor doesn't help nearly as much as giving an extra 100 armor to someone with 100 armor.

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

However it does let you act as a tank early too though, what is the difference between a ...electrolute/dark harvest gragas and a Aftershock one?

One blows up if he gets hit after his CC combo, the other doesnt.

Even if the effectiveness is reduced later on the impact early/Midgame is still very, very, very significant.

BigFBearJan 27, 20191 votes

Scaling with percent of resistance would be bad too. It would be useless in early game since you don't build resistance so early. I play Voli and need Aftershock to survive engages. But I build Jungle-Cinderhulk (0 Armor/MR) and after that mostly Righteous Glory (30 Armor). That means I have 30 Bonus Armor after 20 Minutes. Cinderhulk would be totally useless for me then.

Frosted TipsJan 27, 20191 votes

I mean it would have base resistance as well. It would be terrible if it was only scaling.

0 HogapuJan 27, 20191 votes

Gut it for ranged users, it is currently breaking Lissandra

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

Gutting and nerfing are not the same tho x)

Gutting means you tear it out so hard it basically becomes entirely useless, like seju was before the recent buffs.

Nerfing could be anything from losing 5 AD to losing 200 base damage or 30% ratios on a ability.

And you call lissandra broken with a 51% winrate, 9% pickrate, 11% banrate for plati?+

Some Botlane champs are violently coughing in the corner :P

ZephyrDrakeJan 27, 20191 votes

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Gutting and nerfing are not the same tho x)

Gutting means you tear it out so hard it basically becomes entirely useless, like seju was before the recent buffs.

Nerfing could be anything from losing 5 AD to losing 200 base damage or 30% ratios on a ability.

And you call lissandra broken with a 51% winrate, 9% pickrate, 11% banrate for plati?+

Some Botlane champs are violently coughing in the corner :P

losing that much base damage and/or that much of a ratio is pretty much gutting the champion in most circumstances

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

Malzahar had it happen, twice, and he is still a high tier pick if i am not mistaken :P

But well i agree.

ZephyrDrakeJan 27, 20191 votes

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Malzahar had it happen, twice, and he is still a high tier pick if i am not mistaken :P

But well i agree.

he is barely a functioning champion. If by "high tier" you mean "he gets picked in pro play and only on mid laners that you don't want them to do anything but be an R bot" then sure he is a "high tier pick"

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

Well i agree that his laning phase is abysmal in terms of interaction he still shines nicely in teamfights with his Q and good R usage for AOE.

E-Q resets provide excellent DPS and R can also be used to lock down strong enemy melee.

Overall aside from the infamous stunbot performance he also has the markings of a DPS/disruption mage, which is rather good right now because everyone hates being stunned, silenced and having their healthbars melt^^

Daddy AntsJan 27, 20191 votes

Resistances granted reduced by 70% for Ranged champions.

Do this and Aftershock ranged abuse is fixed.

Ryze, Lissandra and Fiddlesticks should not be using Aftershock.

They're meant to be squishy.

ThefrostyvikingJan 27, 20191 votes

Lissandra actually kinda needs it though, although at reduced effect.

She needs to be able to dive in and still have some damage and aftershock is the only rune that lets her do that, before i recall seeing a lissandra go in like E-W-Q and then die before she could even ult, and that from 2 people hitting her.¨

For a mage that needs to pretty much stand atop the enemy team aftershock is a blessing like no other.

BramblebackJan 27, 20191 votes

Should honestly just gain a tad bit more range so the damage procs more often. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

jocomotionJan 27, 20191 votes

I like the duration idea, but the bonus armor/MR shouldn’t scale. It did in release and was useless for bruisers and WAY too powerful on tanks like Rammus or Malphite, who could no joke get close to 800 Armor easily.

Sire HippingtonJan 27, 20191 votes

I think the base damage should be reduced(10-70 instead of 10-120), ad/ap ratio removed and a small slow added(like on trundles Q), then change it to be 30+50% total armor/mr and prolong the duration by 2+1 sec for every 100 bonus armor or mr if you hit an enemy champion with the blast.