"We felt that Lucian's ult didn't add enough risk, so we shortened its range."

Unstoppable Monk·Feb 29, 2016·2 votes·506 views

Why isn't her ultimate being nerfed, again?

When I played ADC, despite many picking Vayne when she was FOTM during season 3 I played quite a bit of the pre-marksman update MF.

When I used her ultimate, it was mainly after a successful engagement and finishing off the enemy or late game full duration as part of an AoE comp in a good position.

Now she can just hit R and she does like 40% more 100 to 0 HP damage than season 3 without using any of her other abilities and by the time you can interrupt her ult to ~~murder her face~~ "counterplay", the whole team is dead.

Like seriously.

12 Comments

DrehirthFeb 29, 20162 votes

because she doesn't have infinite dashes and dies when you sneeze on her, while if you go in on lucian he can ult you while running/dashing away

Unstoppable MonkFeb 29, 20161 votes

KogMaw must suck then with no infinite dashes. /s

DrehirthFeb 29, 20161 votes

it can, but if he gets cced by somebody and has peel so he doesn't die he can resume shredding your team. While if you interrupt her ult it's gone along with most of her power to shred your team.

LeBlanc JameśFeb 29, 20161 votes

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because she doesn't have infinite dashes and dies when you sneeze on her, while if you go in on lucian he can ult you while running/dashing away

This, interrupting her is a thing... not for him.

REFORMED BTWHAHAFeb 29, 20161 votes

Vayne's tumble cooldown gets down to 2 seconds, whereas lucian's is 14 (8.4 sec with %40 cdr). I would say that vayne is much more mobile than lucain is...

Also theres a 5 base hp difference at level 18 between them, with lucian at 1914 and vayne at 1909

DrehirthFeb 29, 20161 votes

nobody was talking about vayne, she's not in a good spot and doesn't deserve nerfs if that's what you were implying
lucians dash is very short cd when using his passive on champions which you seemed to have forgotten completely?

REFORMED BTWHAHAMar 1, 20161 votes

I just meant to compare the two, since I thought you were. No need to be hostile... Now I see that you meant MF is the one who "doesn't have infinite dashes and dies when you sneeze on her"

disregardableFeb 29, 20161 votes

The hope is that when someone is stupid enough to pick her, she might not be completely useless 100% of the time.

AbyssphereFeb 29, 20161 votes

What is wrong with people and leaving out 90% of the context for every change in the game? They didn't like Lucian's ult giving him so much power at a huge range because short range is supposed to be a weakness for him and he's severely lacking in weaknesses aside from that, to the point where it's extremely difficult to justify picking any other ADC over him. Miss Fortune isn't supposed to be a close range ADC so it's a-ok for her to do tons of damage to people very far away from her and she already has weaknesses so she doesn't need any new ones added in.

If you want to ask for nerfs to MF's ult then feel free but if it's nerfed it'll be nothing to do with Lucian. They're not at all similar champions in terms of strength/weakness profile.

Unstoppable MonkFeb 29, 20161 votes

Movement speed steroid, damage passive, minion based lane trading Q, long range scaling physical ultimate.

Yeah, they aren't similar at all!

AbyssphereFeb 29, 20161 votes

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Movement speed steroid, damage passive, minion based lane trading Q, long range scaling physical ultimate.

Yeah, they aren't similar at all!

I said they didn't have similar strength profiles, not that they had very different abilities. The only thing they have in regarding when to pick them is that they're both massive lane bullies - aside from that you're comparing a mobile ADC with fantastic kiting and huge single target damage to a relatively immobile ADC whose goal is to spread huge amounts of damage out between an entire team.

You are looking at their kits in the most basic sense of "What do their abilities do?" and that's completely irrelevant. It's what their abilities allow them to achieve as champions that's important and they aren't similar in that regards at all.