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You're doing an off-meta Bot, but you get offended by an "off-meta" support.

Unstoppable Monk··7 votes·886 views

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

In an already AP ridden team, you choose to go AP bot. How about not being offended over a AD off-meta JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING in your lane and not getting butthurt over something you disagree with.

A support is not YOUR support. It is a position. They are their support role. NOT YOU. Not doing what you say isn't reportable and not a reason to salt at them for trying to win. They probably have better choices and decision making in regards to picks. They are there not help you play the game that you're not doing well at and win for you. If you push your lane out so hard to their turret that they get experience denied and keep autoing the siege minion that they're trying to execute, don't expect them to sit around watching you overextend or bother much if you don't sit under turret when they buy.

They win for themselves, just like any other person in ranked queue.

I'm sick of people feeling entitled to non-comp based opinions.

IllaoiTrundle are good supports in certain lanes.

20 Comments

ShaftyMegee2 votes

I agree, it depends on the match up, if my team picks all ap, them I'm going to pick something like trundle or another ad champ that doesn't require items to be relevant

No flash no life2 votes

I'd say anything goes as long as ppl play in a way to win the game.

I've seen galio support before, didn't say a word, and holy, the ranged spell harass, the targon execution, the movement speed boost from e to help adc kite as he tanks with w shield, and ult that peels/zones and makes zed frown when they all-in adc, I have to say I was surprised at how well he fulfilled as a support.

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

And excuse me while i go play Galio support

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

Trundle has always been a good support. Illaoi support sucks because it only has lane pressure and that's if your lane isn't ganked because the adc will have no peel from you and past lane phase useless.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Illaoi support doesn't suck, you counter some ADCs considered OP by having lane pressure, and one of her strengths is that ending the lane phase early is extremely good for siege comps.

Grouping around her at her level 6 powerspike is probably one of the most dumbest things you can do because you can just flash under their turret and YOLO to wipe out most of their health.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

Support illaoi does suck, it's fun but it's the worst support. If there's an illaoi support there won't be any team benefit at all and even if she has siege comp potential she can't build as much damage or tankiness that mid/top illaoi can while if the mid/adc get jumped she can't bodyguard at all while in a teamfight even if illaoi has damage you can walk away.

And her flaws already hurt her even when top/mid playing her support just hammer the nail in the coffin.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Right, I'm going to believe someone still playing bot games and never played any ranked.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Yes one account has bot games and doesn't rank, your point? It's pretty obvious that illaoi's flaws are easier and easier to abuse the more you practice positioning and repositioning. Not to mention only being oppressive in lane if E hits. Oh and let's not forget illaoi has to use W to get any value out of ulti after the first cast which will fail if the enemy team doesn't get flustered, calms down, and run away. Stop trying treat illaoi for something more than she is. I love her but she's nothing to write home about.

She has no CC/Peeling power which means no saving someone who would get you through a teamfight.

She has no way to benefit her team outside of lane phase since she can't get your damage for E to transfer more to an enemy hit as easily as top/mid can.

She has no CC so she can't do much and requires her team.

If you're going her for support to get damage, you're better off with a damage support like zyra/brand/koz even annie.

Unlike illaoi, trundle works as a support because he has great CC along with peel power and shreds tanks with ulti. While illaoi is over here hopefully wishing the enemy team just stays in her ulti.

Outside of a good laning phase if the jungler doesn't just come to kill her adc she isn't useful as a support, but nice try trying to act like you're anything special to brag about one of my accounts not being ranked.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

A peel is getting people away from your team. But you say Illaoi has no peel and then you say the enemy team has to get away from Illaoi's ult.

Zyra / Brand / Vel'Koz / Annie are not AoE AD and they don't have much for sustain.

How is it not a peel when up to five people are running in the opposite direction of the ultimate?

She does have a good place in the current meta, people just don't know which comps she is strong with.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

That isn't peel, the enemy team can move towards your team to get away from illaoi's ulti and even if your ally stays near you under ulti they can kill your ally and just back away from you.

Zyra/Brand/Vel/Annie are not AD ofc but still better off due to them actually having a wave to help your team.

It's not peel because your teammates will still die and you'll just be there trying to damage someone who will just leave after already taking out your ally.

She has a good place in the meta but her flaws are still the largest in league, she isn't a bad champ by any mean but she just can't support it guts her item build.

Athenes Lulu2 votes

This is not support exclusive, people get mad for picking something that's not "ranged ADC" botlane.

...even though there's another "ranged ADC" outside botlane in the team already.

Dominick Destine1 votes

I tend to agree.

Trolls hate it when you join them... like someone will pick Riven bot lane and be like "dude it's totally legit" but then you respond with support Swain and they get angry. It's a funny phenomenon.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Its too legit if you don't quit.

Also support or shared Riven is way better than pure CS with support. Relic shield abuse gives her the thing that she's not allowed to have top lane.

GGX Millia1 votes

I often feel like picking some random shit like Taric Teemo or Shaco, but when I see Ashe Jhin or Tristana in my ranked matches so often, I feel there are enough trolls on my team as it is.

Cause some people don't like picking top, 2nd or 3rd tier picks. They go straight for the bottom tier or garbage tier (most off-metas) even when they have a large pool of GOOD champs.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Jhin has like the best off-meta pairings though, IDK why you wouldn't get something that actually works because he's performing better with them instead of some of the 'real' picks. Tristana is cancer for solo queue support and I will pick something that can roam instead of waiting to get double killed. Ashe not really seen too many, support Ashe is legit yo.

crippler381 votes

jhin taric lane is best lane. Gems are art, but so is murder.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

Trundle is actually a really strong support right now. He's definitely not off-meta and probably just outside the top tier supports.

Illaoi isn't as strong of a support. The problem with people that praise going off the meta is that they don't know how to measure their success. They rarely look at match ups, and normally they refuse to realize that off meta translates into niche, and you should not be choosing that one thing the majority of the time. Your off meta pick should not be your main.

People that choose off meta supports usually fail to realize how the support role works most of the time. These people are the same people responsible for AP Brand Annie summoner 14 popularity as well that's dominating gold and below.

They see it work in a couple games, but fail to realize that it's cheesy (easy to outplay) and ultimately hurts their team overall.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Considering that Riot nerfed Brand, I don't think he's that easy to outplay. There's plenty of strong support secondaries and Lulu was originally an AP nuking support with a stupidly OP Q.

So you are completely wrong in your arbitrary judgement and something like Elise support is still being played to this day as a top pick.

Angry Monster1 votes

actually illoai is a horrible support, She bring nothing to the starve lane system.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

English please.

Seriously, what is a "starve lane system"?

Illaoi is pretty much then there to zone and deny CS to the ADC.

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