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Finally gave Mage Fortune a try.

Faded Lich··44 votes·4,620 views

It was surprisingly enlightening. Champ select was rather awkward after I got mid and selected/locked in Mf. Some people had less than kind words to say about and I, for but a short time tried to convince them (and to a small extent, myself) that I wasn't trolling and was indeed deadly serious. Although none of them seemed happy about it, they allowed it with the kind warning of "You feed, we report." With the unwavering support of my team firmly in-place, I got my doran's ring and went mid, being completely trash tier and forgetting to get a trinket (of course.)

The resulting game was surprising..to everyone involved, even the enemy who laughed and berated my choice every chance they got. The poor soul who laned against me was Orianna, an enemy where Mf's passive was surprisingly useful against. Although she was the only person on the enemy team who seemed nice at the time, sadly she was the first one to be crying in a small corner in the enemy base. Try to harass? Made it rain. Try to last hit? Made it rain harder. Tried to help a jungle gank me? Made that shit mother fuckin rain. Before it was all said and done, although I never actually got to kill her in lane due to her playing extremely safe, it was still to the point if I walked within 550 units of her, she flashed and just went full "Nope.jpg" for the rest of the game. I was satisfied.

The match went on for awhile, nothing too exciting honestly. Some kills happened in other lanes, Panth jungle tried to gank me and failed and I ended up at one point walking into a 4/0 urgot bottom (not sure how that happened) and tried to 1v1 him with just a sheen and tried to help bottom with a gank. I was sad...the things that Urgot did to my dear Mf in that moment are..well..I dare not type them out here.

Few minutes later however, I had my first real items just in time for the first big team fights. Lich bane, CDR boots and a Needlessly Large Rod. That is where the beginning of the end started. Malph ulted into the entire enemy team. Made that shit rain. Made it rain even harder but with bullets. By the end of that fight, our team (and most namely Mf's ) dominance was well proven. From there it was a pretty standard catch up and stomp game in all honesty. Only thing of real note that happened from that point on, in my opinion was when panth jumped on me at one point, killed me ( i was half hp from a previous team fight) and felt the need to type "Lol nice auto's Mf scrub."

To which I so elegentally responded by respawning, finishing morellos, find him, killed him by making that shit rain and said "Nice spells Panth."..Sick burn Mf...Sick burn. Moral of this story? Mage Fortune is fun..and I now know why Make it rain does not scale with AD damage..That shit is scary when it does damage.

Tl;dr: Fun story about making shit rain. Was bored.

95 Comments

Deep Terror Nami40 votes

If someone threatens to report you just for picking something they don't like, report them (it is considered harassment). They don't deserve to play the game if they're going to treat people like that.

Archon X1 votes

yeah don't encourage people to troll build, if the op wasn't level 24 he wouldn't have been able to pull off ap MF.

Deep Terror Nami26 votes

People can pick whatever they want. It's not up to you or me. If they are actually trolling on purpose or just suck and keep doing things they can't win with, then they'll stay at the bottom and won't bother you. There's a difference between picking outside the meta and trolling.

Archon X2 votes

Team builder exists so people can openly declare that they are playing way, way outside the meta so their teammates can have the option to dodge as necessary without having to wait 15+ minutes to re-queue up. Blind and draft pick should not be used to experiment with strange builds where your teammates are stuck with either dealing with it or dodging. Saying you're going to report someone for a troll build is also not even close to harassment, it's wanting a legitimate game where people build based on how their champion scales.

Chortle4 votes

If it's not ranked, I don't see the problem really.

Archon X2 votes

Unranked games are not an avenue to waste other people's time. Waiting to hear an argument why this guy couldn't use team builder so his team knew what they were getting into.

Chortle16 votes

No one's time is wasted unless someone is intentionally feeding or have an AFK player.

If two teams of 5v5 are actively working together to win a match, it seems fair enough. You should be focusing on your own abilities instead of judging a person's pick/build before you even see them play.

Maybe you should use team builder if you have a problem with unconventional builds.

Archon X1 votes

I don't need to use team builder, my mmr is high enough that I don't have to deal with things like people picking AP MF mid. The burden to use it should be on the person who is going to troll build, not their teammates who want a regular, meta game, especially since they are sub-30 and are still learning the meta.

Chortle12 votes

Then stop complaining about normal games.

If you want to take things so seriously and have a "fun" Meta game, then go to ranked where that attitude is more than welcomed.

You care too much about your teammates. If you're MMR is so high, carry them. It should be easy for you. Elitists belong in ranked where they can circle-jerk each other's shitty attitudes

Archon X1 votes

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/MissFortune

It's at least 15-1 in favor of AD over AP builds, and the AP build scores are awful.

The OP has so many option here...

  1. Play with a premade who are ok with your suboptimal build
  2. Play vs bots
  3. Play in team builder so your team doesn't have to deal with it to avoid getting a dodge penalty

Or we can have more games with adc thresh, have to deal with that one a lot in ARAM when they won't trade me thresh so he can be built tank like he's designed to be. Guess how many games we win with a BotrK thresh? Not a whole lot.

But nah, losing is fun too.

DrCyanide15 votes

I feel compelled to remind you that AD Fizz, AP Ezreal, AP Kog, Naut Support and Shen Support were viewed as "troll builds"... right up until the second they saw LCS play. You know when these things see pro play? Not when they're balanced like normal (prior to any change that pushed them into the spotlight), but when they're OP.

If you trumpet on and on about the meta, chances are you don't actually know how to look at a champions kit and figure out it's strengths and weaknesses, you're just relying on other people to tell you what's "good".

Faded Lich9 votes

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I feel compelled to remind you that AD Fizz, AP Ezreal, AP Kog, Naut Support and Shen Support were viewed as "troll builds"... right up until the second they saw LCS play. You know when these things see pro play? Not when they're balanced like normal (prior to any change that pushed them into the spotlight), but when they're OP.

If you trumpet on and on about the meta, chances are you don't actually know how to look at a champions kit and figure out it's strengths and weaknesses, you're just relying on other people to tell you what's "good".

This guy. I like this guy. He gets it. Experimentation is discovery.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

In Shen/Naut Supports' defense, they weren't considered troll builds =P

Photos of Ghosts6 votes

You're not supposed to be honed into following the meta in ranked either.

Faded Lich5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vAE0s0ZF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-15T17:17:57.218+0000)

If someone threatens to report you just for picking something they don't like, report them (it is considered harassment). They don't deserve to play the game if they're going to treat people like that.

Thanks for the tip :) it's a good idea and something I planned to do.

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It's so her R will slow and get the enhanced Liandry's burn

edit:

Technically you could just place a perfect Make it Rain to get the effects, but a slowing Bullet Time is crazy for teamfights.

Oh my god why didn't I think of this? Thank you. I am doing that next time.

P.S: To everyone saying it's a troll build, it only worked cause I'm 24, etc, etc, etc, etc. You're full of shit. First off, I'm not unexperienced. My first level 30 account was back in 2011, I've been playing this game a rather long time so I have experience o_o I'm not new at this nor am i trash. Secondly, you can't call it a troll build when it works, both in theory and practice. You're right in saying it isn't currently optimal but considering our team line up which was, as follows:

Annie Malph Yi MF Rengar

it was an excellent choice for the set up. Between annie AoE stuns, Malph ult and Rengars/yi burst, The Sheer power granted by AP Mf was actually an amazing choice. Over 800 damage per Make it rain, 900 on Double ups (without killing the target) and the devistating ult, not to mention the lich bane, it worked extremely well. Also, while you're not wrong in saying it would be hard to do against more experienced players, you are wrong in saying it's impossible. While it would be countered by mobility champions, against someone like Azir or Ori for example who is much easier to move around and catch out with the E, it's actually rather devastating. While both have limited mobility in there skills, it's not enough to constantly dodge the damage of make it rain and double up to apply lich bane procs, not to mention with proper double up harass you can out range the vast majority of mid heros currently.

So while you might say it's a troll build, when you actually look at the reality of the situations, the numbers and how the kit actually works, it a lot less outlandish than you would think. Besides, the other fact you're forgetting is IT WORKED, WE WON and in the end I was a huge part of that. So, please. Stop trolling and harassing me just because I did something the LCS pros don't do. You're right, it wouldn' work in LCS, but I'm not there.

Thanks for the support and I am glad everyone enjoyed this story :) It's honestly doing better than I thought it would. I'm glad to see the community can, in the majority, appreciate something fun. Thank you all.

Chortle6 votes

I haven't tried mage fortune, but I do find this hybrid AD caster build fun :]

item 3116 item 3151 item 3042 item 3158 item 3071 item 3035

edit:

If you're not interested in a slowing Bullet Time, I suggest item 3078. Makes her push potential even greater while giving her MS and more CDR.

Catastrop6 votes

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I haven't tried mage fortune, but I do find this hybrid AD caster build fun :]

item 3116

Oh my god that's evil. They might as well be snared.

TotalJerk5 votes

Slows don't stack anymore, so not really

Chortle8 votes

It's so her R will slow and get the enhanced Liandry's burn

edit:

Technically you could just place a perfect Make it Rain to get the effects, but a slowing Bullet Time is crazy for teamfights.

Auryiel1 votes

The slows don't stack, so it makes no difference for her E, it only works on her R and for half a second after they leave her E.

Not saying Rylai's is not a good situational choice, just thought I'd point that out.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb3 votes

rylais no longer stacks with other slows. If its slow is higher, it'll apply, but the other won't

IcyPepper6 votes

they allowed it with the kind warning of "You feed, we report."

What a pleasant community we have, where you get reported if you had a bad game when breaking the meta, and get completely ignored for future reference if you win.

It's like people can't tell the difference between "intentionally feeding" and "breaking my precious meta." Didn't Riot specifically say not to report for that?

Tails Doll2 votes

Riot says a lot of things my friend.

IcyPepper4 votes

And nobody listens ;~;

DokiDokiTodoroki1 votes

There's breaking the meta and then there's picking things that you know have a minimal chance of working out. Sure you may have fun, but you've now forced four random players to put up with your choices, including if you feed, which means they have to play a 4v5. Also, if you're feeding, chances are that someone else on the other team is now really fed. Teemo mid is off meta, but building him ap still accomplishes the general goal of the champion. Full movespeed Teemo is off meta, except now he accomplishes nothing for the team and is likely feeding. If he isn't feeding, then he's doing nothing, and that hurts the team by again forcing them into a 4v5.

Breaking the meta and being a special snowflake does not exempt you from your teammates getting fed up with the shit you're making them deal with. I thought the team response was the best one possible. "We doubt it will work, but we won't flame you unnecessarily. If you feed, though, you're responsible for trolling and making us deal with 20+ minutes of that shit, so we'll report."

IcyPepper5 votes

"We doubt it will work, but we won't flame you unnecessarily. If you feed, though, you're responsible for trolling and making us deal with 20+ minutes of that shit, so we'll report."

Still flawed, even by what you were trying to say.

All these "special snowflake" comments are just unnecessary, dude. I know the difference between trolling and breaking the meta, for one.

Secondly, trolling is a deliberate and obnoxious decision. If someone breaks the meta, but then unintentionally feeds, they are no more responsible for trolling than someone who unintentionally fed and played meta. I mean, in ranked, there is a clear competitive stance to these kind of things, but in normals you got to chillax. Threatening someone with a report if they feed is more against the rules than breaking the meta and playing badly. You're not a special snowflake for playing the meta, nor do you get special treatment for the rules. Meta breaking or not, everyone is subject to the same standards (which means "trolling" is not subject to a win/lose condition, you either are or you're not). Threatening someone with a report, however, is being a jerk even if they're breaking the meta.

Besides, AP Miss Fortune isn't comparible to movement speed Teemo. There's a sliding scale of breaking the meta and just trolling, and Mage Fortune is clearly to the left. She does deal assloads of damage thanks to her wonky scalings. If it was ADC Singed, that would be trolling.

Faded Lich2 votes

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Still flawed, even by what you were trying to say.

All these "special snowflake" comments are just unnecessary, dude. I know the difference between trolling and breaking the meta, for one.

Secondly, trolling is a deliberate and obnoxious decision. If someone breaks the meta, but then unintentionally feeds, they are no more responsible for trolling and someone who unintentionally fed and played meta. I mean, in ranked, there is a clear competitive stance to these kind of things, but in normals you got to chillax. Threatening someone with a report if they feed is more against the rules than breaking the meta and playing badly. You're not a special snowflake for playing the meta, nor do you get special treatment for the rules. Meta breaking or not, everyone is subject to the same standards (which means "trolling" is not subject to a win/lose condition, you either are or you're not). Threatening someone with a report, however, is being a jerk even if they're breaking the meta.

Besides, AP Miss Fortune isn't comparible to movement speed Teemo. There's a sliding scale of breaking the meta and just trolling, and Mage Fortune is clearly to the left. She does deal assloads of damage thanks to her wonky scalings. If it was ADC Singed, that would be trolling.

No..she deals breastloads of damage. Assloads is for DJ sona and irelia.

MelbaDream2 votes

Breaking the meta is cool.

Going AP Riven, for example, is not breaking the meta in my opinion. It's just trolling around, because she got no AP ratio. I'm fine with people trying stuff (even saw an AP Caitlyn once) but in my opinion we should make a distinction between breaking the meta, and doing some useless trolling.

Breaking the meta is trying to play champion in a different way, whether it's the role or the build, might be not the more efficient, and sometimes finding out this can work pretty well, or be really fun. Doing some useless trolling is going full AP (ie AD) on a champion that have no AP (ie AD) ratios.

I'm perfectly fine with people breaking the meta in normal games, or with people using viable breaking the meta stuff in ranked games. (Because let's be honest, full AP Lee sin and full AP Jinx aren't really viable xD)

IcyPepper1 votes

Agreed. I've gone over this in other threads before, and I mentioned it in this one as a response to someone responding to me :P

Famous examples include ADC Singed (not... viable) and Mage Fortune (considered just basic meta breaking, and fun! A good example of meta breaking).

AP Riven is for Riven mains who just want to massively BM, or just trolls. I've seen people win with that shit just to piss people off ;~;

My personal favorites include jungle Morgana (you got two main ganking tools), on-hit AS jungle Soraka (I was doing devourer+BORK before it was cool and sated), and tank Lulu.

MelbaDream1 votes

One of my friend once showed me the unleashed power of Vayne jungle and Blitz jungle (you're not ganking enemies... They are ganking you without knowing it :D). I personally tried Ashe tank once. But... Well sunfire cap is pretty useless when you're ranged xD I also did ADC Vel'koz (maybe it would have been better with an hybrid build).

IcyPepper1 votes

I'm not sure how exactly tank Ashe would work... maybe bruiser jungle/top Ashe?

She's got decent teamfighting utility, so maybe she could jungle by building some tank since ADC's have trouble due to their innate squishiness. Maybe top lane?

MelbaDream1 votes

For some reasons (we were premade and we failed during champ select), I had to play support tank Ashe. Definitely not a good idea xD But what you say is really interesting...

IcyPepper1 votes

Why support tank Ashe? Ashe is (technically) a secondary support, you could probably build some ADC items. Or maybe just bruiser (Grab IE and PD and you're good).

and don't forget item 3050

MelbaDream1 votes

Well It was some months ago, I don't know what I was thinking xD And the new Zeke wasn't there :'(

3TWarrior1 votes

riot also put a machine in charge for reports that ignores most toxic behaviors and instead looks for verbal abuse reports

of course, verbal abuse is the easiest to prove without a video

IcyPepper1 votes

that ignores most toxic behaviors

I wouldn't say "ignore," but rather it's kind of difficult to detect that with the current system.

But I believe Lyte said that they're rolling in a system to take care of that.

A Miss Fortune4 votes

I really hope when they change Miss Fortune, her AP build is still playable. I think in general that League needs to have a lot of off-meta things like AP Miss Fortune and stop pushing all champions into either AD or AP. A lot of older champions have the options to build two different ways, and while AD Miss Fortune is better than AP Miss Fortune, AP Miss Fortune by all means is playable.

Kitten of Evil3 votes

You are more courageous than I in champ select. You say the words "AP Varus" or "Mage Fortune" or "Tahm Kench Sated" and people start complaining even in champ select. Sometimes even in ARAM people will flame you for doing a weird build like AD Annie. So sometimes I just don't tell allies what I plan to build and see how long it takes for them to notice.

Only Play Darius12 votes

Once had a teammate Diana get a shit ton of kills carrying us and eventually get a pentakill, then she said "plz don't look at my build lol".

item 3930 item 3078 item 3153 item 3115

I didn't know what to say, but god damn it worked.

Kitten of Evil7 votes

Meta's nice, but if you can make off-meta work, more power to ya! Plus those kinds of games are usually more interesting imo.

dr lichdeath1 votes

last time i checked ad annie has no ad scalings so in essence i consider it bad if u want to go ap/ad a certain champ thats mean to be build the other way then please pick one with scakings in the direction ur building ad annie is as bad as ap riven so its ano go ap shyv is an option ap xin too ap rengar not rlly but possible

Kitten of Evil2 votes

I did say "in ARAM", and in ARAM sometimes you just want ONE person to go AD, because your team looks like this: Leona Brand Fiddlesticks Annie Cassiopeia. If you all go AP "normal" builds, your enemies will build a few item 3112 item 3065 type items and destroy you.

Of course I'd never go AD Annie in a normal or ranked.

Syvenon6 votes

I mean that would be a perfect opportunity to go crittlesticks

dr lichdeath1 votes

k

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Neither does except for his ultKogMaw.

Your point?

dr lichdeath1 votes

well then read again i said a champion needs to have at least 1 scaling kog has one => hes perfectly k ad annie has 0 => not so k

III DNA III2 votes

One day I tried AP MF myself. She's fun as hell if you use a bunch of the AP items that also grant move speed. (item move speed stacked with her passive move speed is zoom zoom.)

I used to think champs like Yasuo and Zed were OP mid lane, but stacking AP/movespeed "makes it rain" tears from my eyes how easy it is to kite and deny them farm. Even with Yasuo's barrier passive, Make it Rain still does a good amount of damage since Yasuo's barrier only blocks 1 tic of the aoe.

After playing SEVERAL ap mf mid matches, most of which were against orianna/yasuo/zed, I finally realize that even THEY have a viable counter pick. (Cause some of the "meta" counter picks arnt that great.)

ClaireRedfield1 votes

I used to play adc zyra and way back when adc brand. With zyra I've only lost 1 game in...20-30 it's just fun and relaxing to play wonky stuff and make it work based on some mechanic you feel is "broken" IMO that's zyra's cc I played her with my duo thresh that combo of cc is ridiculously deadly and unavoidable.

Strut1 votes

yes omg! mage fortune is SO fun. she plays a lot differently from adc so if youre used to taking her bot lane it can be kind of weird, but as an mf main, i wholeheartedly endorse anyone who wants to try this.

(PS: experimentation is one of the most fun parts about playing this game, stop being so uptight about what does and doesnt work.)

ahferroin71 votes

Lol, another fun off meta one to try is AD Malzahar.

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