Rylais should have a stronger slow for melees.

MorgManBasher··32 votes·1,774 views

Make the ranged slow the current post-nerf numbers but for melees make rylais the current pre-nerf slow since the item isn't abused on melee mages currently.

That way you don't ruin melee mages such as Mordekaiser Singed Amumu ChogathEvelynn Nasus

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43 Comments

l DEMACIA l5 votes

Save the metal man!

Talisid5 votes

Spell range really has nothing to do with the champion's auto attack range. This seems like a very sloppy way to balance an item.

VoidBorn131 votes

And the only decent one which keeps Riot from potentially fucking up more characters with their incredibly unreliable changes.

SekiroFedTwice4 votes

May the master of metal live on, pls riot <3

DeathcapShaco4 votes

Seems like it's actually a solid idea, no melees abuse the item so there really isn't a reason to nerf it for them.

Fuck ranged.

TwinkiePro4 votes

I read this as applying a stronger slow to melees.

I'm ashamed I was mad.

+1

Irelia Bot4 votes

It should only have a stronger slow for single target abilities. Aka 35% for 1.5 seconds on single target and 15% for AoE and multi target.

It was perfectly fine before 4.13 when some champs would get it but it was not mandatory on every mage.

Old Man Thyme3 votes

Awesome idea!

Mogarl3 votes

Going to have to disagree with you. The closest you could come to this while keeping it fair and balance able is to make it dependent on the proximity of the caster and the person being slowed. Some melee auto attackers have very large ranged or multi targeting ap abilities that make them no better than ranged auto attackers when it comes to abusing Rylais.

Galio Katarina Rumble

xScarfy2 votes

Galio doesnt build rylais tho (not sure if kata does) and it was allways a good option on rumble. But I have to agree with you, as I would suggest just nerfing rylais and give the champs who really suffer from the nerf compensation buffs.

Mogarl1 votes

Tbh I threw him in there as an example of melee's with long ranged abilities it's already a very niche item for kat, but fuck rumble. D:<

Legacy Hydralpha3 votes

How does making Rylai's Crystal Scepter melee only help anything? Spells are usually ranged regardless, so making it Rylai's melee only would only work on champions that use spells to enhance their basic attacks. Also, I'm sorta tired of QQ threads for every change in the game; just make Rylai's give more health than it's current PBE state and make it an AP Bruiser item used for its utility.

MorgManBasher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legacy Hydralpha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v9cLEmMA,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2016-11-25T17:37:05.382+0000)

How does making Rylai's Crystal Scepter melee only help anything? Spells are usually ranged regardless, so making it Rylai's melee only would only work on champions that use spells to enhance their basic attacks. Also, I'm sorta tired of QQ threads for every change in the game; just make Rylai's give more health than it's current PBE state and make it an AP Bruiser item used for its utility.

No one said "Melee only" lol This thread is saying keep the current slow for melee only while giving the nerfed slow to ranged. It's not a hard concept to understand that some melees have ranged attacks or also use area effect slows like amumu.

No one said to make the item melee only, read pls.

Legacy Hydralpha1 votes

Sorry, was thinking more so about another post. The main concept I'm going off of is that melee = melee attacks. A better way to describe the slow change is on how far the ability goes. For instance, if a spell goes farther than X amount of units it wouldn't have as powerful a slow. Either way, tone down on the condescending.

Grym3332 votes

Pls riot

Kitty Hole2 votes

Especially for my boy Amumu . Please dont nerf Rylai's.

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

What a wonderful idea! If only it could at least be tested on the pbe

Scoroct2 votes

I quite like this idea actually. If they manage to somehow get close enough to use the item it should suck. Also something similar happens for Frozen Mallet.

AirKingNeo2 votes

You're implying Rylai was fair on those champions but really it wasn't either.

MorgManBasher1 votes

If it was so unfair why weren't they being picked? Some of them absolutely need the item to function or at least be decent picks.

NWI2671 votes

Honestly don't mind leaving evelynn in the dump right now though.

Arakadia1 votes

But Evelynn players do.

Final Spark Lux1 votes

Who builds rylais on eve. If you arent one shotting your enemy as her youre doing something wrong

Arakadia1 votes

Eve isn't meta as an assassin. She's more a skirmisher. And unless your fed or its late game you couldn't one shot someone.

A little Peepo1 votes

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Eve isn't meta as an assassin. She's more a skirmisher. And unless your fed or its late game you couldn't one shot someone.

You don't need to be fed to 100-0 someone as eve. Protobelt gives eve a great amount of burst along with runic echos. With these 2 items eve can burst any squishy down in the mid game, late game it's a different story, you need to be fed to pop a target before you get popped. That's why eve has such a strong presence early and mid because her burst is pretty good. Hell even ad eve can pop people (I used to play devourer into titanic and I had enough damage to pop squishies as her, eve has good damage early to mid alone

Meep Man2 votes

People who don't always go 10/0

A little Peepo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v9cLEmMA,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-11-25T06:13:19.631+0000)

Who builds rylais on eve. If you arent one shotting your enemy as her youre doing something wrong

You obviously don't play eve or you don't know how to play her

Final Spark Lux1 votes

of course I dont play eve, why would I? Way too busy playing a champ I actually enjoy

A little Peepo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v9cLEmMA,comment-id=000b00020000,timestamp=2016-11-25T18:37:51.910+0000)

of course I dont play eve, why would I? Way too busy playing a champ I actually enjoy

... then why do you "if you are building Rylais on eve then ur playing her wrong" if you clearly don't play her, how do you know what to build on eve and have so much experience on how she is played? Oh wait my bad this is the internet and everyone on the internet is an expert and rocket scientist;P

But in all honesty Rylais is core on eve, spamable Q = perma slow and makes her tankier while also giving her 100 more dmg on E and about 45 per Q. Not a bad item on her when u think about it huh?

Final Spark Lux1 votes

I judge it off the fact that every time Ive been one shot by an eve, they didn't have rylais, and also if youre one shotting people before they can react, you dont really need the slow

A little Peepo1 votes

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I judge it off the fact that every time Ive been one shot by an eve, they didn't have rylais, and also if youre one shotting people before they can react, you dont really need the slow

Lol you do realize every mage builds rylais even champions like syndra and annie and every other mage. Why do they need slows when they 1 shot you already? Because it gives 100 AP and 400 health the f*ck. Why in the hell wouldn't you build rylais!? It's too good of an item lol in all honesty the eves you played against were probably fed up the ass or don't know how to build her correctly or your team just sucked really bad. But to answer your question, yes protobelt into Rylais is what keeps eve as a very strong champion right now

Final Spark Lux1 votes

It was the first option. They're always fed. I try to tell my team to play back towards our turrets so eve cant get a bunch of easy free kills, but people like pushing out hard without warding, then they die and give up 5 mins into the game. Not much I can do to carry it, because the joys of being a support player prevent me from doing so. Cant save stupidity

WoonStruck1 votes

Only if lifesteal is nerfed for ranged.

Arakadia1 votes

Isn't this already helping melees? So your saying I want it all or none of it?

WoonStruck1 votes

If ranged mages are too powerful compared to melee with Rylai's use, then ranged AD champs are definitely too powerful compared to melee when it comes to lifesteal and other effects.


Anyway, in general, range is not the issue with Rylai's. Its extra utility on champions that don't at all need it, without sacrificing damage. That's why its getting nerfed.

Spammable slows are only an issue if there's too much damage alongside it.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Oh god Galio

Blåbæret1 votes

Disagree. Downvoted btw. Just another Morde main wanting to keep such a toxic item in its current state.

xScarfy1 votes

The op doesnt want to keep rylais in its current state. He wants it only nerfed on ranged champions (which are the main abuser of this item). Although I don't agree with the op either, I would just nerf rylais and give the champs who really suffer from the nerf some compensation buffs.

MorgManBasher1 votes

I don't even main Morde, I just find him fun. If you actually look me up I'm a Diamond Ziliean main, smart guy.

Vesemir1 votes

Nasus ''Melee mage'' . Just because you can build him AP that doesnt make him a mage.

MorgManBasher1 votes

If you haven't caught on to the trend yet, pretty much everyone is going AP tank Nasus or full AP, very few people are even bothering to go stacking Nasus anymore.

Vesemir1 votes

old nasus mains still go for stack such as myself

xScarfy1 votes

I never build Rylais on AP Nasus, does it work well on him?

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