I mean, it makes sense. Women tend to value teamwork over perceived glory. And personally I like feeling needed without the pressure of being relied upon to carry! But with all this discussion about the female team of support mains, it's starting to feel like maining my role is putting myself in the dreaded egirl stereotype. But support is a damn good role and someone's gotta do it!
Dynikus14 votesThere's nothing at all wrong with maining support. It's a vital role that we need more people maining, honestly. The problem comes when you make a team of only supports with no pro play experience and pit them against opponents several notches above them in skill with years of experience in a professional setting.
HeimerLmao2 votesAnd wonder why the professional players ban supports vs them...
five oh tree 10 votesThis is a dangerous (extremely controversial) topic that I will not touch for fear of being downvoted to oblivion. All I can say is that nothing is objectively bad or good; life is what you make of it.
Hell, I'll probably get downvoted for not helping stir up controversey.
Tr4shB4NSYST3M10 votesTo a degree you are right, in general female characteristics tend to fit the support role more, however obviously no generalization is right 100% of the time and I'm sure some females enjoy other roles more. Theres no shame at all in playing/enjoying support regardless of gender.
Also I tend to think the e-girl/support stereotype more-so comes from female support mains finding a higher ranked male adc and duoing to "get boosted" and that can be where a lotta that comes from. Regardless don't worry about what people say on the internet, its much easier for angry bitter ppl to be pricks from behind a keyboard when in RL they wouldn't dare say half the things they'll say in game.
Aseraan1 votesI onec accepted a friend and she turned out to be a Chinies girl whos in Spain atm to learn spanish and she told me a lot about e-girls where she came from and i can just hope 90% of them wasnt true. Like rly nasty things cant even get to understand why would anyone do that over a video game......
Also she was a Janna main......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
JeaneGreene1 votesPlot Twist: Full lethality assassin Janna
Aseraan1 votesShe was kind tho we had a lot of good talk cant be helped im degenerate and removed her from my friendlist for no reason at all.
Sand Ähläm7 votesI honestly don't give a crap about that.
The REAL PROBLEM here is that I have no idea if I should call the player he/she based on the champion, or the player. Like most of the time it's a guy behind that Ahri, but is it safe to assume that? It's not like I want to call out Ahri, but the player playing her right? Fuck my life.
Lapis18 votes[{quoted}](name=Malcolm Gaynolds,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v8EgoBmW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:32:32.387+0000)
I honestly don't give a crap about that.
The REAL PROBLEM here is that I have no idea if I should call the player he/she based on the champion, or the player. Like most of the time it's a guy behind that Ahri, but is it safe to assume that? It's not like I want to call out Ahri, but the player playing her right? Fuck my life.
Oh, that's easy! I can help there! When in doubt, call them by their character's gender. People tend to call each other by their champions names over their summoner's names while they're playing because it's often easier. Same concept goes behind their pronouns! It's easier, and that way you're not assuming anything!
Sand Ähläm1 votesAh, thank you m8! I will still probably get confused and bang my head against the wall because of it but this helps a lot already.
Syrile2 votesOh, that's easy! I can help there! When in doubt, call them by their character's gender. People tend to call each other by their champions names over their summoner's names while they're playing because it's often easier. Same concept goes behind their pronouns! It's easier, and that way you're not assuming anything!
Ah, you beat me to it! haha I do this when I am voice chatting with my friends. I just use the champion's gender. Though some of the more overtly sexual screen names changes that sometimes... -_-
HeimerLmao1 votes[deleted]
DrCyanide1 votesBecause it's a not so subtle way to try and get around a zero tolerance word.
AlienPrimate5 votesI always call someone by their champion.
Sand Ähläm1 votesTo me it's like a coin flip. Sometimes by the champ, sometimes by he by default. No logic behind it.
I swear to god I'm going to make up a pronoun that covers both of the genders.
Lapis4 votes[{quoted}](name=Malcolm Gaynolds,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v8EgoBmW,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:48:11.025+0000)
To me it's like a coin flip. Sometimes by the champ, sometimes by he by default. No logic behind it.
I swear to god I'm going to make up a pronoun that covers both of the genders.
You don't need to make one up, they/them is here for you!
Highwiseene3 votesSo tired of people sleeping on them/they. Sleeper OP pronouns when you don't know who you're talking about
Arcade Lulu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Malcolm Gaynolds,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v8EgoBmW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:32:32.387+0000)
I honestly don't give a crap about that.
The REAL PROBLEM here is that I have no idea if I should call the player he/she based on the champion, or the player. Like most of the time it's a guy behind that Ahri, but is it safe to assume that? It's not like I want to call out Ahri, but the player playing her right? Fuck my life.
You could go by the champion's gender because it's just simple But if you're specifically talking about the player, you could just use They/Them 'cause it's gender neutral
That's what i usually do
Aseraan2 votesEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXD I get it dont worry guy playing support also playing ahri on mid. Tho it helps a lot of the person has a relative normal name Like "XXXpuss.killerhorsestallon98XXX" From this you will surely know its a guy.
hrooza dota 1 votesnever use he/she, use the champion name instant.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Karn Bishop1 votesAnd to think while debating what proper pronoun to use the insect population is facing total collapse and if it happens everything that eats them dies, plants that depend on them die and we die as well but yeah lets get back to the important things like pronouns for a soon to be dead race.
Syrile6 votesThere is absolutely nothing wrong with maining support. My boyfriend mains support. In fact, most of the gay guys I know also main support. That does not mean they all do. I have gay friends that main JG, ADC, Mid and Top lane as well. I, for example, main mid. But the majority of gay guys I know main mid. Does that mean they all do? Not even close? Majority? I have no idea the statistics so I cannot say. To me though, it makes no difference.
Even if you fit into some "stereotype" it only matters if you are intentionally causing a problem or if you are being targeted specifically for it. Try not to let other people bother you. If they think poorly of you for maining support, that is their problem. I, personally, love the support role. It is my second favorite role and would main it if I did not have a strong preference towards mid (that and my boyfriend is a better support than I am).
Little bit of rambling there, but my thoughts came out randomly because I have wondered if it is just a trend with the majority of gay people I know, or if statistically it is true that a majority play supports as well. I wonder it about women also? Is it that they actually prefer the role or is it just that we get shown that primarily, even though it is not the actual preference? I would like some data on both to be honest.
Saianna4 votesMy boyfriend mains support.
showoff >.>
IPromiseTomorrow1 votesHey she found the right one
Chembaron Yamada1 votesIsn't Syrile a dude?
Death Rex1 votesWhat how many gay guys do you know? I barely knew one...
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death Rex,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v8EgoBmW,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-02-24T06:40:18.685+0000)
What how many gay guys do you know? I barely knew one...
A lot. Haha But then, being gay means I will know quite a few naturally.
Daddy Ants6 votesSupport is my 2nd role and I'm a guy.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesApplying stereotypes on individuals is for closeminded people to begin with, don't worry about falling into one for someone. If they think of you as an "e-girl" just because you happen to be a girl maining support, then their thoughts have absolutely no value for you anyway.
It's the same bullshit like when feminists called out housewives for being "sexist towards their own gender", because they have chosen to not get a job themselves and instead want to take care of their children. True equality means that everyone has the right to chose for themselves what they want in life.
If what makes you happy happens to be what has been the stereotype of your sex/gender/race/nationality/whatthehellever, then just enjoy it and be happy with it. And just surround yourself with people who try to see the whole picture of you, not a stereotyped version they have of you in their head.
Naalith3 votesI love support and I'm a guy, there's something fun about channeling all of your effort into making ANOTHER person go apeshit and destroy the game while you protect them. It's the reason VIP challenges in Battle Royale games are so fun.
That being said I also play jungle as my main and everything else around equally because I've been playing the game for a while, mastery of a character or role in general is just super satisfying no matter what you pick in my opinion.
novac37213 votesShort answer: No, its not bad.
Long answer: everyone is just a player behind a screen, gender has nothing to do with it. Play what you enjoy. If it turn out that women tend to play support, so what? I tend to think, if I am made aware that a teammate is a woman, is: "oh, our mid/adc/supp/etc. is a woman. okay.". Not: "my teammate is a woman so they must want to play X role".
People are people, and we should stop trying to involve gender (and other such things) in topics they have nothing to do with. Can't we all go back to playing video games for fun, instead of for politics?
Tychusfindlay9181 votesShort answer: No, its not bad.
Long answer: everyone is just a player behind a screen, gender has nothing to do with it. Play what you enjoy. If it turn out that women tend to play support, so what? I tend to think, if I am made aware that a teammate is a woman, is: "oh, our mid/adc/supp/etc. is a woman. okay.". Not: "my teammate is a woman so they must want to play X role".
People are people, and we should stop trying to involve gender (and other such things) in topics they have nothing to do with. Can't we all go back to playing video games for fun, instead of for politics?
EA triggering intensifies
Phieldworker2 votesPlay the role and champs that are fun for you. If you want to main support you do it.
Super Galaxy2 votesI'm very convinced drafting 5 random women into an eSports team was just social justice bait, and shouldn't be treated as more than such.
Pierce The Veal2 votesI mean, it makes sense. Women tend to value teamwork over perceived glory. And personally I like feeling needed without the pressure of being relied upon to carry! But with all this discussion about the female team of support mains, it's starting to feel like maining my role is putting myself in the dreaded egirl stereotype. But support is a damn good role and someone's gotta do it!
No, it’s fine for anyone to play any role. The issue is Riot trying to push for/allowing a team of diamond 4 support mains to form a pro team to face Challenger teams that are playing on their mains. This happened explicitly because Riot wanted an all female team to hit the spotlight to show that they have female representation in league. The issue only came to light when Riot went ahead and warned a team for banning all supports and claimed that the entire community found it to be bm.
It’s not bm when people ban out Froggen’s Anivia, but when they ban out an all female team’s mains it’s bm. That’s disrespectful to both teams, both the women and the pros playing against them. If you enjoy support, by all means continue to play support and don’t let the nonsense get to you.
MankeyMadness1 votesIve personally known female ADC mains, a Jungler and a certain name around here is a hardcore Vlad player. She covers mid/top by default. Not hard to find a variety of players but that's NEVER the goal of all female teams.
Name dropping pros might be frowned upon so I won't, but while certain players may be very handsome ... others well, are not. Good luck finding someone organizing a legitimate team of women regardless of their appearance. They're Race Queens at best. You CAN of course, be an attractive woman and pro level potential. But theyre focused on the first part only when Venus and other such teams get made.
DerMangoJoghurt1 votesMost stereotypes exist for a reason and there's absolutely no shame in that. Just play what you enjoy and don't worry about falling into (or out of) a stereotype.
Aseraan1 votesSTOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SKU........! You VIOLATED MY INNER SUPPORT!
As a support player myself(MALE) when i support i go into fights and protecting my teaMATE whit my body if i have to(per see im playing braum thresh volibear maoika naut blitz etc) i see it as an actual SUPPORTING like holding his her hand and pushing her back when she needs it As where i see these sheild and heal supp......................pls forgive me for this but the best i see it is max a compliment against the things i do whit tank supps.
I get it the 2 thing is totaly different and maybe even has to do something whit genders like PER SAY again as a male i instinctly droping into the fight where as a female player maybe would not, tho this is rly a crapy theory its logical you would tank sht whit a tank supp and dont tank whit an utiity supp. But i find it fascinating that as a male player i cant stand healers/sheilders.
Like seriusly this is a rly crapy thing to say but as a support palyer myself i dont see sheilders and healers as supports, you know what i see? Those pesky females in every Brasil Drama they will do as they support you when ur winning, but in the biggest flames you will die alone cuz they are not there anymore oh no they arent.
Glaricion1 votesAbout the 'females love support' stereotype, has there been data collected confirming it, or is it just being taken for granted?
Tychusfindlay9181 votesAbout the 'females love support' stereotype, has there been data collected confirming it, or is it just being taken for granted?
definitely would need data on that specific point.
But there is already PLENTY of scientific data showcasing that men and women by far have different interests and emotional profiles on average. It wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to assume that support is a favored role among the women that play league. At the same time though, I doubt women play league nearly as much as men so the data might be skewed either way.
Atmosphere1 votesA lot of girls I've played with have tried to play other roles, but feel pressured into support or mid due to the egirl stereotype. If they're not playing Nami, Lulu, Janna, or Lux, they're just gonna feed and troll. Stigma needs to be addressed in order to fight the stereotype.
Jungle Lux God1 votesThere's nothing wrong with any player liking any particular role, even if it's a gender-stereotyped role. Support in League of Legends is a particularly interesting example because helping others is something that females like to do.
In Jesse Schelle's book "The Art of Game Design: a Deck of Lenses", he talks in chapter 9 about how Toontown Online designed its healing mechanics to support including female players. His development team observed that healing was appealing to female players, so they designed the healing mechanics such that they could only heal allies, which promotes the type of nurturing play that females tend to prefer in their games.
The equivalent in League of Legends is, obviously, supports, so it's only natural that women would gravitate towards that role. It's also interesting to think about how Riot could use this information in marketing and whatnot; if Riot wanted to increase the number of support players playing the game, they could focus on promoting the game to a larger female audience since many of those players would gravitate towards support, while if they wanted to market to a female audience they could focus more on their supportive characters and League's teamwork aspects in their advertising because that's what female players want out of their League experience.
TrenchcoatTitus1 votesFemale jungle/adc main. I don't mind if people call me by my champion's gender even after finding out I am a woman.
I rarely play top and mid because I don't like the pressure to beat your lane opponent. I prefer the macro challenges, tanks and scalers instead.
What bothers me more are sexist comments. :) I am pretty sure if there was less of those, more women would play.
Of course, they might play support as a fill. ;) I can still do a decent DH Morg (but I am low elo lol).
HeroinofDarkness1 votesI'm a girl and I actually hate playing the role of support, It's my most hated place to play in LOL, I play it if i get filled it, but that's about it. I'm a main mid player, but I can also play the roles of top and ADC. I find it strange how they couldn't find any other females to make that team other than support roles, there are plenty of women who play elsewhere, it's obvious the other team were going to ban supports, it's tactics right? In any other game you ban their mains, ban a combo or a champ that you know the other team play well with. Did these girls really not understand how to play anything/anywhere else? There's nothing wrong with maining one champ and one lane, if you're good at it and you enjoy it, then great! But to put that team together where they all mained the same thing, seems a little odd to me and it would still be odd if it was an all male team of support mains, it shouldn't be anything to do with their gender, but unfortunately that's what most people are focused on, it's a weird team to make in the first place, male or female. I don't blame the other team who banned all support roles, I blame the ones that put that team together, everyone surely knew what would have happened, setting them up to embarass them? I wouldn't let it affect you and your gameplay, like you say, support is an important role to play, your ADC is reliant on you and I take my hats off to those that main it, male or female, it's far too stressful for me! xD
Myrmiron1 votesSupport is actually OP. The higher elo you climb the more support mains in relation other position mains you find. -> supports tend to climb
deadlychuck1 votesIt's just a shame that riot has moved the design of the role so far away from the teamwork focused position that it use to be smh.
Rock MD1 votesEgirl used to be used to describe a girl who got carried/boosted by her girlfriend, often playing ADC and having her sit behind him while he does all the work. Egirl stereotype usually means the person is so passive it actually hurts the lane.
Tbh if you just poke and harass and know when to walk up, you should be fine in most scenarios. It's the complete lack of presence in lane that cause people to start crying egirl.
Zeppelins circus1 votesAlways date that Leblanc/Syndra mid girl who kills the hell out of the opposite laner. Because that is the proactive independent partner in life you want.
Makarakarn1 votesI mean behind the screen, you are whoever you make yourself to be. Play any role you want any way you can, who you are irl shouldn't have any place in the matter.