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Maybe, just maybe, nerf Riven ...

Psychø ßeta·3/17/2019, 2:30:01 PM·33 votes·13,407 views

I don't have to mention that she is a high skill level champion? Why is she 53,22% winrate and 13,14% playrate? I don't believe that 13% of players are her otp or mains.

The issue here is her e and itemization. She can build Death Dance and Ninja Tabi vs AD, which makes her kinda immortal vs ad. Just attack her with ad champion when she has those items, you will see what I am talking about. Also she can itemize vs ap too. If she has such a good itemization, why isn't she nerfed yet? Riot, just do your job and balance the game.

I play champions that are high skill cap and when they are over 50% winrate and have high playrate, then something is not right. They become stronger than anything if you play right. Keep high skill cap champions below 50% so that they are kinda balanced.

Don't overbuff Riven, Yasuo, Shaco (my boy btw), Irelia, Akali, Neeko, Zoe, Sylas, Jayce (even tho he is kinda a stat stick), Rek Sai (she was good anyways), Zed, Ahri, Vayne, Lucian. Those champions are always kinda viable, even if you don't make them stronger than 50%. They will still be played and will be good enough.

26 Comments

SuperTopLFBottom3/17/2019, 5:47:42 PM19 votes

The answer to that question why riven is not nerfed is the hashinshin clip: MONEY

Plat HardstuckXD3/17/2019, 7:33:23 PM10 votes

She's not a problem in China according to a certain Riot balance employee so she wont get nerfed.

Glaricion3/17/2019, 7:09:47 PM6 votes

She does have a lot of mains and requires a lot of skill. For some reason NA has a high amount of Riven mains.

That being said, she has some really BS safety nets and a lot of her 'skill expression' erases the opponents' ability to respond (CC spam + animation canceling).

In the charts, Y is a champions general skill floor and ceiling +, X is playrate +

The first one is a bit iffy though because it shows Nami being higher than Katarina on the 'depth/skill' portion, so be sure to go to the second one.

edit: w/o being able to separate the champs, the trends seem to be good, but not overall accurate, would expect Taliyah to be much higher too [(she's one of the top 8 harshest mastery curves in LoL)]https://twitter.com/RiotBlaustoise/status/1075515580570980352)(, and Wu a wee bit lower. Hard to get a good feel though since it isn't interactive/hard to be 100% whose curve belongs to who.

PaffWasTaken3/18/2019, 3:19:53 AM5 votes

What are you talking about? Since we aren't living in Asia, our opinion doesn't count and if we complain about Riven, it's just because of western frustration so she should stay untouched. /s

oortoomeebreesuu3/18/2019, 6:57:56 AM5 votes

I don't think it's itemization, I would say it's more the fact that her auto-attack resetting and ani cancelling contribute to her feeling overpowered. Being able to use one item, four skills and three autos in the span of 1.5 seconds with no attack speed built is kind of silly.

Yara03/17/2019, 4:40:30 PM4 votes

Nah fuck that nerf Neeko and Yorick.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Tin Obliterates3/17/2019, 8:04:23 PM3 votes

Hmmm, nope, let's nerf Aatrox again.

Doombot3/18/2019, 1:17:40 PM3 votes

Top against Riven is definitely winnable but it always feels like playing from behind and constantly being on the defense, basically Riven has more options to win lane and you have less. Most of the time Riven has the initiative and Riven has to screw up to give you an opportunity ...and a lot of Riven players overstep their limits, but that doesn't make the champion fair, because that goes for both sides.

Ulquiorra01233/18/2019, 8:48:34 AM2 votes

Eh, just needs the Darius treatment, and by that I mean people need to learn to play against it. Same concept, a champ that will literally steamroll you if you are beta enough, but won't ever get to being busted as hell if you are alpha enough. You will understand what I mean at some point, but Riven right now isn't actually an issue.

teamwork or afk04/29/2019, 9:38:26 PM2 votes

just nerf riven pls this champ is busted with the newconquer even without

Serika Zero3/18/2019, 4:56:18 AM2 votes

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I don't have to mention that she is a high skill level champion? Why is she 53,22% winrate and 13,14% playrate? I don't believe that 13% of players are her otp or mains.

The issue here is her e and itemization. She can build Death Dance and Ninja Tabi vs AD, which makes her kinda immortal vs ad. Just attack her with ad champion when she has those items, you will see what I am talking about. Also she can itemize vs ap too. If she has such a good itemization, why isn't she nerfed yet? Riot, just do your job and balance the game.

I play champions that are high skill cap and when they are over 50% winrate and have high playrate, then something is not right. They become stronger than anything if you play right. Keep high skill cap champions below 50% so that they are kinda balanced.

Don't overbuff Riven, Yasuo, Shaco (my boy btw), Irelia, Akali, Neeko, Zoe, Sylas, Jayce (even tho he is kinda a stat stick), Rek Sai (she was good anyways), Zed, Ahri, Vayne, Lucian. Those champions are always kinda viable, even if you don't make them stronger than 50%. They will still be played and will be good enough.

Ahri, High skill cap. Pick one. You can't have both. Same with rek'sai lel.

RekSai CoffeeCo3/20/2019, 11:28:32 AM2 votes

So let me get this right, they won't nerf Riven who has had a high winrate for a while but will nerf RekSai for same problem riven is having (at least according to a riot person who likes to tweet instead of post on boards) but for a shorter amount of time and a bulk of it was conqueror change.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

mack91123/17/2019, 11:08:02 PM1 votes

People just have to learn the matchup. In my top lane experiences she has not made her way into the op territory yet just strong.

Dracocrash3/17/2019, 10:05:18 PM1 votes

where-oh-where are you getting your stats from? They look highly suspect