Can we keep talking about Veigar?

facts - none of his skills work with one another. he pushes the wave if he wants to "maximize" his farm, otherwise he farms less than his old Q thanks to the increased CD at later ranks junglers with gap closers ignore the stun veigar can place because their gap closer action is faster than veigars stun veigars ultimate no longer can 100-0 ap mid laners who dive him (katarina, leblanc, kassadin, fizz etc) and as a result zero defense to stop them from comboing him, hes completely defenseless against these champions. ad champions still and always walk all over him veigar can no longer flash stun as well, so other champions like ziggs and xerath can reliably keep their distance from the veigar and will never be hit by his ultimate.

soooooo who is veigar supposed to be "anti mage" against?

id rather we didnt

you've obviously never played him if you think he's garbage

The sheer ignorance in this community is terrible. Veigar needs buffs simply because of the fact that he is unable to kill squishies due to his short range and hard to hit cc. His cc is almost impossible to land, and landing his cc is a requirement for him to kill a squishy. If he misses e, he then misses w, and his q, what does that leave him? His ult. His ult is no where near enough to kill someone.

Veigar has 4 stand alone abilities that are very strong. And its because of that he is okay right now. But none of them work together to make an interesting kit. His E is honestly better than it was pre rework, but it fails with his kit. He can zone, wave clear, and burst. But not do any one of them really well. Until late game at least. But even then, they have MR and tanks to keep the squishies safe from the burst.