After getting to try out Veigar on Live...

Dezell·2/25/2015, 3:25:00 PM·14 votes·1,385 views

I played a Co-Op game with new Veigar. That's all, one Co-Op, dismiss my opinion if you want from there. After that game, I don't feel like I can try him in an actual PvP game. I'm not willing to ruin four other peoples' play experience just to see how terrible he is now.

It's been said a lot since the changes were announced, but are you fucking serious, Riot? Did you actually playtest any of this? His Q is different. Fine. I don't like it as much, but whatever, that's a liveable change. But the E? Do you even know how your game works?

I played against BOTS and the E wasn't just unreliable, it FELT TERRIBLE. It didn't feel good to land the stun when the stars aligned and the derpy bots decided to run into the wall. "Oh, I guess the bots decided I could get a kill." That's NOT FUN. If I were to take him into a PvP match-- which I'm not, ever again, until he gets fixed-- there would be no feeling of earning a kill. I didn't line up my edge perfectly, I didn't predict the enemy's movement to get them to hit the wall, I didn't throw it at the perfect time to change the course of a fight. The enemy decided, or was stupid enough, that I should get a kill.

The stun feels bad, it is bad, and it renders him utterly unviable in a mobility-driven game. I've bought three different skins for Veigar because he's been one of my favorite champions, and in one change you've ruined him.

Everyone says "Just wait, he'll get buffs!" but how deluded do you have to be to actually have that kind of confidence in Riot? They shoved out a half-assed change to begin with, what on earth makes you think they're going to change it LATER and make it right?

You know what's broken and pointless in Veigar's kit? Enemy AP scaling. Axe that shit. It's stupid. It's never contributed to the Veigar fantasy. The only time I think about it is when I'm behind and the enemy is building AP. It's not something I think about when I pick him. It actively punishes the enemy for doing well. You (Riot) have said in the past that you don't like that part of his ultimate, but you wreck his stun, nerf all his other abilities, and leave THAT? I just can't even conceive of what kind of drunken conversations you people had about how to 'fix' Veigar's kit when you gutted him and left 80% enemy AP scaling.

Now here's a suggestion. Kill the cast time on E, keep a delay. Try .25 seconds, .35, something significantly less, because as it stands I have no agency in whether or not I land my ability. The enemy has full control. Kill that stupid as hell enemy AP scaling on his ult, give it back in the form of HIS OWN AP RATIO. The original 1.2 was great, I'd love to just have that back, but I feel like 1.3 or 1.4, maybe somewhere in between would be better compensation. Veigar definitely needs fixing, because you've made me incapable of playing one of my favorite champions in PvP.

If you disagree, feel free to tell me, but tell me why. Maybe I'm wrong and it all wound up being a huge buff to Veigar and I'm actually an idiot missing out on the new freelo train to Mustard Tier.

11 Comments

SanKakU2/25/2015, 3:28:57 PM2 votes

stop playing him as a support and you'll be fine.

Extreme Troller2/25/2015, 3:53:48 PM2 votes

veigar winrate beat azir release catastrophic winrate.

22% winrate veigar op. AHAHAHAH.

NotDevan2/25/2015, 4:01:31 PM2 votes

I'm really curious as to how Veigar's win rate will look in a few days.

Zazusha2/25/2015, 3:37:42 PM1 votes

i felt the same way.

Can't wait to see his Win rate drop to Azir lvls.

Šhadòw2/25/2015, 3:48:33 PM1 votes

I feel the exact same way man, I would rather rito just slashed the enemy ap scaling on his ult and left the rest of the kit the way it was, there was zero need to change it, he was already fun to play as it was. Plus there are other champions that deletes people just as well, annie comes to mind, because AOE Stun, immense AOE damage, then some extra tank just to make things worse. Anyway, they really need to revert these changes, because I'm seriously about ready to quit league.

Sharinnengan2/25/2015, 11:49:57 PM1 votes

Firsts things first! 1 All this started cause of dfg. Who the hell build dfg on veigar anyway? Veigar never need it, i never build it. 2 Veigar IS NOT THREAT TO SOLO Q OR THE PROFESSIONAL COMPETITIVE SCENE! Why the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE NERF? 3 Veigar never need change a t all! What counter play bullshit is this? (As point No2...) 4 I am very sad to verify he is unplayable. He's not veigar anymore, lost identity, that's it.

As he is right now, i am done with him.