Is Lost Chapter's passive supposed to carry over to Morello's?

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Blue buff will reward restore a greater proportion of max mana pools per tick (1% instead of 0.5%)

So basically, mid laners will be bitching at the jungler to give them blue MORE than they already do?

I seriously doubt you guys think about the repercussions of your changes very much. It's already bad enough that you're nerfing the mana regen of every mage item in the game, but now you're just putting more pressure on junglers as well.

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One other piece of context that might be useful when looking at the revised AP items is that there are also changes to Blue and Dragon buff coming. Blue buff will reward restore a greater proportion of max mana pools per tick (1% instead of 0.5%), while one of the dragon buffs is shifting to a model where it restores % missing health and mana occasionally. Both of those should make larger mana pools more attractive to mages than they have been in the past.

Ok.. but why should mages be balanced around blue buff to avoid going oom and be able to do damage?

So every other class in the game essentially has infinite resources but mages need neutral buffs in order to be effective? Sorry but this seems like a pretty stupid way to balance.

I assume you guys are going to be adjusting the base mana pool,mana per level,base MP5 & MP5 per level for most mages & AP assassins due to all the items & mana changes.

Please just get rid of blue buff affecting mana at all!!!

It doesn't work out in far too many games. You can't balance around mages getting blue buff and then still be bothered by them not being able to go anywhere but mid, or just being bad in lower tier games. Even in gold I often don't get blue until way late in the game and even then only if I go and solo it.

And to top it off, it makes things even more snowbally as well. Get blue for once, immediately get killed by the enemy mid assassin, proceed to lose game. :(

Blue buff will reward restore a greater proportion of max mana pools per tick (1% instead of 0.5%)

So if your Blue gets stolen as a mage or you don't have access to it you're fucked? Seems like a great idea.

While we're at it why don't we rework ADCs so they get X autos per back and Red removes this limit, this would be the equivalent of what you're doing to mages.

Wait, by making the Blue buff basically key for a mage late game doesn't that kill any chance for a team to run two mages...?

Now you give us context that make people stop freaking out so much.

I kinda approve of the sadistic lack of context making the changes seem balanced to some degree.

i have to agree with some of the others: Please remove mana from bluebuff! Many champions are already kinda forced to go mid as it's the lane with best acces to bluebuff and they need it for mana. Balanceing mana around the possibility of bluebuff is a bad idea and leaves you lacking unless you havebluebuff, resulting in even harder snowballing from mapcontroll.

Why not try to give bluebuff something eintierly new that doesn't affect essential stats, just how redbuff gives a nice boost to combat power without champions feeling lacking when they don't have it, as it doesn't give any essenial stats? I think something like the relic shield buff from Dominion could work for blue.

I'm happy to hear that dragon might give %missing mana, though i do hope it is in one of the first two buffs, else it will be to snowbally if mana gets balanced around it as 3+ dragons rarly fall into the hands of a team that is behind.

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while one of the dragon buffs is shifting to a model where it restores % missing health

For the love of mercy test this out with the tanks first. I foresee mundo returning back as a problem champ with a buff like that if it is in a per tick model.

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Blue buff will reward restore a greater proportion of max mana pools per tick (1% instead of 0.5%)

If you do this though, it will be so strong that junglers pretty much HAVE to donate all of them. You're creating another situation: forcing players into making a choice they don't want to make because it's too good NOT to do it.

Now, I know this sounds nice on paper and coordinated play, where teams work together to allow players and champions to achieve high points... but this isn't going to work in anything under plat. You're simply gating an archetype harder than they're already gated, while reducing the impact power they have through AP reductions in core items. I'm not even sure the hextech items are a healthy addition. Are you sure you wanna give Annie more opportunities to perform a long range, large AoE, stun + burst combo?

Furthermore, why are other roles exempt from having to deal with resource windows? The ADC update was brilliant for their diversity and impact. No matter how much I hate ADCs, it was good for them. The mage update seems regressive in that part. We wont see more diversity, we'll primarily see mages with mana regen/refund mechanics.

What can you say to ease my worries, Meddler? Where are my deductions missing the mark?

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Intent is that the Lost Chapter Passive goes away when upgrading, given comparative lack of level ups later on. To avoid that feeling like too much of a cost to mana restoration though we're currently trying out a version of the current Athene's passive on the revised Morellonomicon (Kills and Assists restore 20% max mana).

One other piece of context that might be useful when looking at the revised AP items is that there are also changes to Blue and Dragon buff coming. Blue buff will reward restore a greater proportion of max mana pools per tick (1% instead of 0.5%), while one of the dragon buffs is shifting to a model where it restores % missing health and mana occasionally. Both of those should make larger mana pools more attractive to mages than they have been in the past.

I'm not quite sure how balancing mages around blue buff is a fair way of balancing how strong or not strong (by virtue of not having blue buff) they are in lane? What happens if blue buff is stolen? Or the jungler happens to need blue buff themselves? Do we just say screw it against zed, talon, yasuo, enemy mage who does get their blue buff, etc? I'm a little baffled by this design decision to be honest. I feel like mages should be balanced INDEPENDENT of neutral buffs like blue and some random Dragon buff ( which is just a win more mechanic for the winning team anyway). Am I seeing this the wrong way? Or are there some other facts or changes I'm missing here.

Making mages more blue buff reliant will only hurt game dynamics as junglers who refuse to donate blues become a greater frustration point. And what exactly are blue buff reliant junglers supposed to do now that their mid laner NEEDS blue buff?

You want blue buffs to be more contestable? Lower death timers in the 15-30 min range so losing a skirmish around blue isn't two mid towers lost. This is also the reason ZZ and/or Banner is so prevalent because no one wants to risk pushing a lane themselves so they buy items to do it for them.