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Weathered··127 votes·5,678 views

/vent

Fiora is not Fiora. I had to stop playing my main because she is so disgustingly unfun for both sides. Yi, Xin, Trynd, Shyv, Udyr, Jax, etc., are abusing rageblade+devourer. Corki is no longer an ADC. He is a midlaner currently being abused. Towers are way to weak, minions become way to strong, death timers are way too long. No one does Herald. ADC's have too much power. Almost every comp is centered around the ADC. Lux's kit is unnecessarily safe. Stop banning Tahm. He is no longer ban worthy, just chill. Why is tank Akali a thing. Something is wrong. Kog'Maw feels ruined. He doesn't even need one of his skills, and AP is not an option whatsoever. Ezreal. Just Ezreal. Zz'Rot and Banner are being abused because of the sad state of towers. No one every buys pink wards. No one ever even wards. Hextech Crafting has been on the PBE for months. Zhonya's is still terrible, and I don't even midlane. Fiddlesticks, despite a new item and buffs, is still bad. Tanks have horrible full build options, while bruisers abuse the few tank items that are good. What happened to Sword of the Occult. I still feel that Tiamat should have its passive.

There. I'm not sure if I feel better, but whatevs. If you read this far, I'm done now.

EDIT: Some of you guys are giving really good feedback, explaining things, giving opinions, and it's actually amazing to see. This was supposed to just be me venting, and I was having a bad day. Somehow this post got popular, but I guess that's because some people agree. For those of you making those comments, yes I understand the solutions and reasons for most of these, I'm just either still a little grumble-y or antsy about things. Thanks for the comments guys!

97 Comments

Agent Ape17 votes

They need a new AP Armor item, Ap's are so bad right now. AD's can buy item 3053 item 3155 item 3156 item 3140 item 3139 and AP midlaners can buy item 3157

For Carthage11 votes

Technically, item 3053 gives no MR and so should not be in this list or else item 3027, item 3116, and item 3151 would have to be included (this is ignoring item 3136, which isn't a full build item and so is rather redundant, which can also be said about item 3140 and item 3155).

This is just nitpicking, though, and honestly I have to agree that yes, AP's are incredibly bad in terms of itemization, though I don't think a new AP/armor item is what's needed. More likely buffs or changes to current items.

It Hertz When IP6 votes

Except that item 3140 and item 3155 both have baby versions of their final item's passive. item 3136 doesn't.

For Carthage1 votes

While true, they still aren't full items, and if we're speaking strictly a single part of passives, Haunting Guise still packs the passive magic penetration.

Gearpower9 votes

This is just my two cents, but : green wards need to come back, or at least lower the trinket cdr and let it build into the greater totems again. If nothing else, I want this. The current system to me just feels unnecessarily restrictive in how much vision you can have.

Guy Fox Teemo8 votes

Maybe you should include some suggestions on how to fix these imbalances rather then just pointing them out?

Thx

Weathered61 votes

I said it was a vent, not a guide to how to fix league. If you want my suggestions ill make another post -.-

Shroom Junkie18 votes

Make Fiora's passive physical damage or even magic damage just for poke and not her main source, and make it more scaling than base.

Nerf Rageblade base stats and add it to scaling stats, make the scaling unusable to ranged, make melee only stack once per hit, make it not stack twice with devourer proc. See how it works, if its OP and needs more nerfs or if its weak and needs buffed again, at the very least don't fucking leave it until you figure out a solution, better it be useless than broken.

Corki is the same, just nerf him a little bit at a time until you find a good even.

Buff tower armor, health, and damage.

Nerf/remove some ADC items(such as ER). Make some ADC's have better scaling and less base for mid-late game power, have some ADC's have better base stats that fall off mid-late game for early game power.

Nerf Lux's E damage, raise ult cooldown.

Tank Akali will stop being a thing with the various item changes.

Remove stats from Kog W, add them back to other abilities, add better AP ratios and remove the ult rework.

Raise Ezreal Q cooldown, change Iceborne Gauntlet to have more armor, less passive damage.

Add Green Wards again.

Zhonyas I personally find fine, its how OP the AD champs are that make it bad, but with their nerfs Zhonyas will become better.

Fiddlesticks just plain needs to be reworked, which I assume will come soon after Taric, Yorick, and Warwick reworks.

Tanks will become more balanced and useful when ADC's stop bursting them and kiting them so hard.

Re-add Sword of the Occult when AD's get nerfed.

Re-add Tiamat passive.

Done suddenly the game is at least 100% more balanced than it is currently. Obviously it'll have problems but at least there won't be a 20 OP champs, 20 useless champs, and the rest being meh and just there for people who don't abuse the OP champs and would rather have fun with a challenge like me.

SnowFall5 votes

{quoted}

Make Fiora's passive physical damage or even magic damage just for poke and not her main source, and make it more scaling than base.

Nerf Rageblade base stats and add it to scaling stats, make the scaling unusable to ranged, make melee only stack once per hit, make it not stack twice with devourer proc. See how it works, if its OP and needs more nerfs or if its weak and needs buffed again, at the very least don't fucking leave it until you figure out a solution, better it be useless than broken.

Corki is the same, just nerf him a little bit at a time until you find a good even.

Buff tower armor, health, and damage.

Nerf/remove some ADC items(such as ER). Make some ADC's have better scaling and less base for mid-late game power, have some ADC's have better base stats that fall off mid-late game for early game power.

Nerf Lux's E damage, raise ult cooldown.

Tank Akali will stop being a thing with the various item changes.

Remove stats from Kog W, add them back to other abilities, add better AP ratios and remove the ult rework.

Raise Ezreal Q cooldown, change Iceborne Gauntlet to have more armor, less passive damage.

Add Green Wards again.

Zhonyas I personally find fine, its how OP the AD champs are that make it bad, but with their nerfs Zhonyas will become better.

Fiddlesticks just plain needs to be reworked, which I assume will come soon after Taric, Yorick, and Warwick reworks.

Tanks will become more balanced and useful when ADC's stop bursting them and kiting them so hard.

Re-add Sword of the Occult when AD's get nerfed.

Re-add Tiamat passive.

Done suddenly the game is at least 100% more balanced than it is currently. Obviously it'll have problems but at least there won't be a 20 OP champs, 20 useless champs, and the rest being meh and just there for people who don't abuse the OP champs and would rather have fun with a challenge like me.

Might just say a phrase a rioter never says "let's just revert it"

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Fiora is fine.

Only need to raise rageblade price to 3.1k, add recurve bow to the recipe, Move the base stats on rageblade to the passive and remove melee attack double stacking. Removing ranged from using it is unreasonable.

Corki is fine

Turrets just need bonus armor and mr if 1 champ is in range to defend it.

ADC items don't need nerfing/removal, They do have base stats and scaling which is case-by-case per champ.

Lux only needs her Q rank 1-4 nerfed to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 hurts her utility without gutting her and everyone's happy. Aside from that she's fine.

Tank akali I wouldn't mind if it stayed though cause it isn't overbearing and feels like a normal champ.

Kog is already getting changed no point in commenting on that.

Ezreal doesn't need nerfing he's perfectly fine atm, and iceborn 100% doesn't need nerfing

They just need to change yellow wards to scale back to the old ones at level 16-18. We don't need green wards returned.

It's more of most AP items need a 100-300g price drop that's it, but maw doesn't need the lifegrip passive and it's mr should be reduced back to 40

Tanks are useful currently not OP or underpowered and very balanced atm.

Sword of the occult idk, feel like it'd add too much AD currently. Would be better to leave it out the game.

Actually the tiamat nerf was needed because of that it hurts a lot of bruisers who just built it and never upgrade it while continuing on their normal build. Their decision on that was understandable.

If anything it should be applaudable that rito kept it under 10 OP and 10 useless champs.

Snowplosion8 votes

Most of this seems relatable, but, in my opinion, Fiddle is NOT weak and Zhoyna's is NOT weak either.

NeoBrawler3 votes

{quoted}

Most of this seems relatable, but, in my opinion, Fiddle is NOT weak and Zhoyna's is NOT weak either.

I don't think it's zhoyas that is weak. It's that you probably won't survive if you have to use it to save yourself from dieing at the end of a fight. Probably better for champs like kass that go in and zhoyas to prevent initial damage.

Champion Skin3 votes

item 3157 active is amazing... it's stat's... are rather bad... It's stats being bad mostly hurt champions who rely on it the most... so champions like Swain or fiddle.... (though fiddle is probably fine regardless as he mostly rely on base damages to begin with though it being more expensive does hurt)

blfUvZ8Ybu5 votes

Also Azir is dead now.

Ariel the Cruel7 votes

Eh, he's still stupid strong in the right hands with a good comp.

Though his DPS and durability are a tad lack-luster. Which is sad. Considering that was kinda supposed to be his thing. (>_>)

Cavemantero8 votes

He's dead because his early game is bad right now and teams will never get into late game with the ridiculous damage and snowballing that is going on right now.

VladCuzBad3 votes

Stop banning Tahm. He is no longer ban worthy, just chill.

I agree with this so much. People ban him and I am like, he was ban worthy on his release when I mained him. He fell off the meta a long time ago. Being a former tahm main, he is trash pretty much now.

Hello I am Bird3 votes

Not to be rude, but I don't think you were a tahm main if you dropped him after he was dumpstered.

I think you just used a fotm champ ._.

The Other Keller3 votes

Ok im gonna try and break this down a bit.

I'll start with things I agree with you on (sort of): ~Fiora: while I agree that she is in a very strong spot right now, her old ult was disgusting and had literally no counter play in any way shape or form, and he model and everything needed an update anyways (just like many other champs still) A small thing they could do is make her early game a little harder so she needs to play safer which would have laning against her a little easier, otherwise I feel her kit is pretty fair, just gotta learn to out play her. ~Tank Akali: I love me my akali and the whole issue why people are going tank akali is because she currently needs a rework (which she will almost be guaranteed one with the assassin update coming later this year), she's in a spot where if they buff her just a little too much, she will face-roll everyone and if they nerf her just a bit, she cant do anything. Tank akali was born because they buffed her Q energy regen. Its bittersweet to me, because I love seeing people play akali, but its sad that they are using her (majority wise) as a tank when she is meant to be an assassin.

Next, a good amount of your issues is due to just being in a low elo: ~Herald: low elo people tend to not care much about objectives and more towards just killing every champ they see no matter if they die or not because many dont see the big picture. ~Tahm Stench: people in low elo tend to ban the same champs on repeat, reasons why i still see illaoi banned almost every game. ~Zz'rot and Banner: while good in themselves for split pushing and dividing up enemies, low elo peeps tend to unconsciously play ARAM on summoners rift and always go all mid all the time, thus people have found a way to punish those for doing that. ~Pink wards: need i say more?

Next, riot is already addressing a good amount on that list as well: ~Devourer is getting nerfed which will help with champs face-rolling before others can get a power spike. ~Lux is being looked at currently (even though she is meant to be a safe Ap caster) ~Kog is getting changed a bit ~Ezreal just got nerfed (while it was his ult nerf, he also got hurt a bit from Ice Born getting altered a bit)

Next is just random stuff that has changed awhile ago that you are venting about that riot has stated somewhere (too lazy to look up) why they did that change: ~Sword of Occult: While the idea is fun, it was less interactive than its Ap counter part (because Ap's have to use spells to use, not just right click) and it probably was taken out because ADC's got buffed, just like how they removed revive a few months before ekko was released, because it would have been broken. ~Tiamat passive: Which I'm happy about, too many games i've had where i get that item and it forces me to push my wave before i'm ready for it to happen, so this change is actually good. ~Towers and minions and death timers: while I agree there could be a small buff to towers and less death timers, the problem riot was facing is that they didn't want people to always have to commit to a 40+ min game every time they que up, so they have been altering it a bit so it is more fast paced and harder to stall out game. Also for minions change, they deliberately become stronger and push so the team behind doesn't have to venture out so far to get farm to attempt to catch up. ~Zhonya's was changed to fit in with other ap items so as to make it so not every ap champion under the sun only ever bought the main 3 items, now it is in a place where you buy it when you either want to or need, not because you have to.

Last but not least: ~Corki: always has been a midlaner, he might be just a tad too bursty as is, but he always has and always will be viable as a bot marksman or midlaner. ~Hextech crafting is a huge thing coming to the game, it would be absolutely asinine to put something of this scale and not make as perfect as they can, I find that obvious. Its better to wait for something good then to rush something out while its still imperfect. ~Tanks do not have terrible build options, its just the current meta. This happens. In 3 full moons from now, people will be complaining about how class "X" is broken and class "Y" needs buffs.

All in all, while I understand that this was just a post to vent about said issues you have, try to separate yourself and view the big picture. Many of the things here aren't all that bad or are getting fixed currently or in the future. A lot of this just takes practice to beat, like for me, i despise everything about Morgana but that mainly only comes from the fact that I haven't figured out how to play against her effectively and I refuse to play her to learn that because I'm too stubborn lol. If you truly have an issue with something, then post it on the boards politely and talk about options that could be taken to fix said issue. Not just sit and vent on the boards like every other shmuch and their moms, thats what friends are for.

xl Kirito lx2 votes

Ok, a few things to note

  • Herald. No one does this at mid-high mmr either. It's incredibly obvious when top lane leaves to help, Herald deals enough damage where the enemy can probably win a 1v2, and whoever gets the buff is going to get ganked, since they have no control over the lane anymore. The main reason people go for it is for the 5 devourer stacks.

  • Split pushing items. Again, ZZrot pushes from half a map away. With death timers being so oppressive, split pushing is relatively safe. At mid-high mmrs, I'll see most top laners going 1st or 2nd item, and occasionally on the support.

  • Tiamat passive. Top lane typically builds damage if they're ahead, tank if behind. Tiamat passive allowed for a person to rush the item, but unable to freeze the wave, or not auto-shove it. Without the AOE, people are able to hold lane better, making it harder for the opponent to come back.

  • "40 minutes," personally, I'm playing a 10min game that takes 20min to end. You can argue it's shorter, but it's certainly less interactive.

  • Corki became a mid laner after the changes, in part due to his roaming potential, and in part to his new passive, which interacts incredibly well with trinity force. It's on par with the course, seeing how Quinn and Graves turned out, but still worth noting.

The Other Keller1 votes

Thank you for the insight into higher elo's.

I know im in a lower elo but I dont really see tiamat passive as all that bad of a thing?

Also i've been playing since Lucian came out and have seen corki mid since my start.

macromite1 votes

one thing, assassin rework is NOT this year, they don't even know if assassin rework is going to happen. Don't make shit up.

The Other Keller1 votes

Noted upon by multiple rioters how it will almost most definitely be the next class update. Also stated that it will probably happen this year.

macromite1 votes

yeah, the next one AFTER THE MAGE UPDATE. the mage update is later this year. and after that, the yorick update.

Don't beleive me?

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884-Champion-Update-Schedule

The Other Keller1 votes

Yes I have seen that. Its not like Riot has multiple employees that can be working on multiple things...... Dude, im just repeating what i've seen from the reds, stop being so hostile.

Edit: seems i miss spoke on the post before this, I meant to say that it will be the next class update after the mage update; but to be honest I thought that was obvious...

macromite1 votes

i mean, yeah, different rioters work on different things, but from what my research is is that most of the rioters already have themselves busy, and have only been thinking about what the rework after mages is going to be, hence why its not on the update page. the mage update is going to be mid year, and the yorick rework will be late in the year, so that leaves very little room for the assassin or otherwise update. so its very unlikely that any other rework will be taking place this year.

Serika Zero1 votes

Tank Akali became a thing because that's the only viable way to play Akali. IF you play her as assassin glass cannon, the risks are to high for its rewards.

The Other Keller1 votes

I wouldnt say thats not viable though... I typically (as a lower elo player) tend to have good success on her as full ap.

Serika Zero1 votes

The thing is, at one point, people learn how to peal and protect their carries. And the carries learn how to position themselves.

This means that you kind of got to survive for at least 2 dashes. That's why riot is calling her a "hit or miss", "feast or famine", "you need to snowball early". Since if you fail to get feed, the enemy team will be able to easily deny your assassination attempt. Stuff like Lulu ultimate, exaust. And many others.

However, Akali's ultimate requires her to jump in the enemy lines. Now, if she jumps there and doesn't instantly kill the enemy adc, in the glass cannon build. She will instantly die herself. Failing her job and losing the game for her team. While the tank akali's job is: jump in the middle of enemy team and spam E till you die. Doing a lot of AoE damage (think Oriana ultimate) until she dies, while forcing the enemy to use their skills and cooldowns on her.

And Akali is one of the few heroes for which, thornmail first item is viable. Due to the amount of life steal she has. A thornmail + offensive item (even just item 3145 ) means she can dive the enemy adc under his/her turret and score a kill and get out safely with ease.

The Other Keller1 votes

Fair enough, I have a better understanding now.

Thank you for the nice response [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Sneakos3 votes

I feel better just reading this

Abyssphere3 votes

Half of what you're saying is just... strange to complain about.

Hextech Crafting has been testing in Turkey for weeks, which is exactly what they told us would happen. It probably won't be long before it comes to the other servers. Fiddle is the strongest he's been in about a year, possibly a tad more. Nothing to complain about. Who cares what happened to Sword of the Occult? It was a pointless item that nobody, including the people who whined about its removal, ever used. Nobody would have noticed it being removed if it hadn't been announced. Zhonya's isn't a bad item, it's just no longer able to answer AD assassins because their items were buffed so much. AP itemisation sucks but it's not because the individual items are bad (Deathcap feels horrible to me but I dunno), it's because there just aren't enough of them and there isn't enough room to pick up the ones that are there because mages are too inflexible in their builds in comparison to AD casters.

Weathered2 votes

This was meant to be just a vent post that somehow got popular, but yes I understand Hextech is being tested and all the others. I just was kinda having a bad day xD. Most of the above listed are not nearly as much as a problem as people think, although some of them are serious.

Meep Man3 votes

Zz'Rot and Banner are being abused because of the sad state of towers.

FTFY

Hello I am Bird1 votes

Zz`Rot is an amazing item that people refused to use because it was new and they didn't know how it worked.

Jeddy0172 votes

Hextech Crafting has been on the PBE for months.

Actually,it's just been a few week since sometime in January.If you're thinking about the preseason announcement,that was just an announcement that Hextech crafting was coming.They brought it to the PBE later. Also,it actually live on the Turkish servers right now.It's just for testing to make sure it doesn't blow up the live servers.Remember what happened when the New Champ select went live on one of the EU servers?Anyway,the HT crafting should come online for the rest of us after 4 weeks of testing at least in Turkey (if everything runs smoothly of course).Seeing how it gone live in Turkey with 6.3,it's safe to assume 6.5 is when it comes to the rest of us.I mean HT Annie should be going out with 6.5 so it coincides with each other.All of this is assuming nothing goes wrong.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE2 votes

"What happened to Sword of the Occult."

"ADC's have too much power. Almost every comp is centered around the ADC."

maybe sword of the occult was removed for a reason? let's not have that with the current state of adc's...

Weathered2 votes

You have a good point, but it would've been simply to change SotO to be only reliable/useful on assassins and the like. Because of bruisers out scaling assassins so well, its kind of sad that, as an assassin jungle main, I have to play tanks and other champs. Poor Kha'Zix is only still doing well because of the maw steraks combo being abused.

4th Chiming Lamb2 votes

I feel you mate. I don't agree with all of your points, but I still feel you. /offer hug

Weathered4 votes

Thanks /hugs back. I was just having a bad day and needed to type some stuff out.

HavelDaRock2 votes

Looks at Op.gg

One ranked game as Fiora

"My Main"

Right.....

DeusVult2 votes

I'm not saying your wrong but /start response rant

Fiora is not Fiora. I had to stop playing my main because she is so disgustingly unfun for both sides.

Light fighters in general need a huge rework + identity and itemization. Fiora is just one of the worst atm because of %current health true damage.

Yi, Xin, Trynd, Shyv, Udyr, Jax, etc., are abusing rageblade+devourer.

Rageblade should never have made it to live. Highest attack speed in the game; builds from 0% attack speed. Absolute disaster.

Corki is no longer an ADC. He is a midlaner currently being abused.

I dont really see why this is a bad thing. People complained about diversity forever, Corki was a huge step in a good direction towards that, after a huge misstep (coughMordekaisercough)

Towers are way to weak, minions become way to strong, death timers are way too long.

Yes. The changes this season to all 3 of these have been terrible, but Riot is focused on making the game all about flashy LC$.

No one does Herald.

False. If you have a good jungler, he will look to pressure that if you have a stronger top/mid, or if the enemy is doing drag and you can't contest.

ADC's have too much power. Almost every comp is centered around the ADC.

The game has been this way since Season 1, but yes ADCs are ridiculously strong right now. What I really hate is that a 4 ADC + tank/peel support can be viable right now, but if other champs go to other lanes/roles they get nerfed. Riot balance has a huge boner over ADCs.

Lux's kit is unnecessarily safe.

Has always been that way, she has huge mana costs, is immobile and requires landing skillshots. She's not immbalanced, shes just good into certain picks or if your jungler doesn't pressure and she can just passively lane and acquire items.

Stop banning Tahm. He is no longer ban worthy, just chill.

True. But solo queue will always be late to what is currently strong/weak when it come to bans.

Why is tank Akali a thing. Something is wrong.

Rise of the 2016 metagolem. item 3748 needs a warmogs like peak before it starts working, light fighters/assassins need higher scalings/lower base damage.

Kog'Maw feels ruined. He doesn't even need one of his skills, and AP is not an option whatsoever.

Riot fucks up balance as usual. Completely remove relevance of Q, look on PBE it gets worse for our little void puppy.

Ezreal. Just Ezreal.

I fucking hate this champ. Has broken every item ever created that didnt have a "Melee Only" tag.

Zz'Rot and Banner are being abused because of the sad state of towers.

Yes, but also because its really nice to be a tank and have split-push power, even when you leave lane to teleport to fight/baron.

No one every buys pink wards. No one ever even wards.

WHAT?!?!?! Are we playing the same game?? But I still miss greens/old yellow trinket, and they need a slot for pinks for late game.

Hextech Crafting has been on the PBE for months.

W/E

Zhonya's is still terrible, and I don't even midlane.

Zhonyas has always been bad compared to AD alternatives, but this season just made it worse.

Fiddlesticks, despite a new item and buffs, is still bad.

Fiddle will always be bad as long as the jungle doesn't require A+ sustain in order to clear it.

Tanks have horrible full build options, while bruisers abuse the few tank items that are good.

Wrong. Only Thornmail is bad atm. Tanks, especially armor tanks are in a very good spot atm.

What happened to Sword of the Occult.

We really don't need an AD snowball item in this super snowball AD meta. We really just dont.

I still feel that Tiamat should have its passive.

Yes. And I miss Tiamat Tuesday, simply for the luls... Oh the Shyvanaitem 3077item 3077item 3077item 3077item 3077+ boots luls

/end response rant

RattleKnight2 votes

dont touch my lux

Troll for Trump1 votes

Darius ain't a early game monster anymore. He's basically renekton 2.0

NeoBrawler2 votes

{quoted}

Darius ain't a early game monster anymore. He's basically renekton 2.0

That destories everyone that isn't another op.

Solitair1 votes

he has counterplay and counterpicks

CarameI Frappe1 votes

My biggest vent I have to offer, are how weak the towers are.

I feel like I have to go a tanky Support (Leona and Braum are my favorite examples), because if I go a Support that's squishy, leaves the chance of me and my ADC getting dived under our tower, which also allows the enemy duo bot lane to kill our tower within 8 minutes.

That dramatically impacts our chances of winning. Every time I go a squishy Support and said bot team has a semi tanky champion, they're going to dive ... and we can't defend the tower because it's pathetically weak (HP and Attack wise). Riot please make towers actual towers.

Weathered1 votes

My go-to is Alistar

Caezium1 votes

Tanks are doing decently well just purely based on winrate. Malphite / Sion / Poppy are about 52%, and Rammus / Nautilus are at about 55%. Shen could be also considered doing okay at 51%. All top.

Of course, they don't feel that well, especially with Fiora existing in her current state. I don't really like fighting Fiora as anything.

Cindice1 votes

get ac

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