Guys Sejuani isn't OP right now

Exactly what I'm saying.

How could anyone forget how broken good stunlock tanks are when Leona/Thresh/Blitz are picked bot lane most of the time?

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She really isn't, tank junglers just prey on the inability of soloqueue teams to coordinate.

jungle preys on the inability of soloqueue teams to not feed anyone with an above average amount of damage.

prey on the inability of soloqueue teams to coordinate.

every split push champion in the game?

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I'm sorry, but win rate does mean something, just not by itself (otherwise nobody would have thought to track win rate to begin with). In combination with pick and ban rate, as well as picks against and with certain champions, it actually supplies a very accurate picture of a champion's strengths, weaknesses, perceived strength, and perceived weaknesses. The win rates people see on 3rd party sites usually only have enough info to say "this champ wins this % of games they're played!" but if you dig deeper, you can find a TON of information. Sejuani is categorically overpowered. I don't think she is broken or oppressive (which a lot of people mistakenly use in synonymy with OP) but you are quite literally a lunatic (or horribly lacking in vocabulary) to not understand that she is OP.

The things that bring me to this conclusion are that her win rate has been consistently increasing every day since the last patch, he pick rate has also been increasing steadily since last patch, which shows she is not just a niche pick played by a few masters, but that she wins more even as roughly 2.5 times her normal players pick her now (meaning that her win rate is increasing even with poor/inexperienced players utilizing her), and her ban rate has also steadily increased. This means statistically speaking she is OP, people recognize she is OP, and people ban her because she is OP.

Regardless of whether it is because she is particularly suited to solo queue, doesn't have a meaningful weakness anymore, or is just strong against meta champions, she is still quite strong and you are foolish to deny it.

she isn't OP.

She has been strong yes, but the small 5 to 8% player base that mains her have perfected her well enough to show for it.

And to cue on the fact that people say they realize how strong she is, let me clue you in on the next thing people haven't caught on yet.

Its to master how to properly counter-jungle, and any tank main will tell you that a jungler that knows how counter-jungle you and seek to find and kill you puts them in a world of hurt and constant pressure because you aren't given time to farm up for your items that your tank is reliant on.

Everyone and their mothers have forgot how to *properly *counter jungle thus the masses think the tanks are OP because they don't know how to deal with it.

Cinderhulk didn't make tank junglers OP, the fact people started playing tank junglers to try it out is what the started the forums trend.

Nah, the winrate means that players don't know how to play against her.

When teams start buying that winrate is going to plummet.

Your team is really bad if that's happening.

She always could do that.

even a 3.0% pickrate is STILL enough games to accurately deteremin the winrate and see whether they are OP or not why? Because 67 million poeple play league, and 3.0% pick for azir means a few 35,000 games played, and thats a high ass number. Even Galio who is picked about .9% of games still has roughly 10,00 games played. This is over the course of the month but it STILL a huge ass number of games and enough to accurtely check the win rate. Lee Sin is played over 1.1 million times in 1 month AND STILL has about a 47% win rate, you would THINK that since EVERYONE says he's OP that obvioulsy MOST of his games would result in him winning? \

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Just nerf her W damage by a really small amount and boom, she will still be a really viable pick but not too good.

I considered maining her a month ago and have more games on her in the last 2 weeks than I do on any other champion. The funny thing is that the jungle changes were relatively minor as far as I was concerned. It's true that I can now finish my first red buff and usually have enough health to consider chasing down the rift scuttler or even to peek in a lane just to remind the enemy laner to be cautious, but ganks pre-6 are still nothing to write home about.

The other part didn't massively change either. Sej was always one of the better tanks if you built her as full tank. But that was only if you built her full tank and didn't try to get any damage items. You'd end up with 200+ armor and MR and almost 4000 health, but your auto attack damage was a joke and your main damage was DOT and required that the enemy stand near you for several seconds.

Those haven't changed. You do have all the CC, but its avoidable for any team paying attention. The Q gap close isn't long range, the E only works if you've already done damage and the ult has a fairly long cooldown. Honestly using Amumu's Q to gap close and following up with his ult is far better CC, and he's got his own DOT and inate tankiness.

Sadly, I do fear a nerf will be coming. Too many people are now complaining that Sejuani is too powerful even though she's not a damage dealer. She can tie up a team's damage dealers, but the impression I'm getting from people's posts is that somehow Sejuani's in their games are going 20/1. fi that's happening I have to ask what they were doing. The trick with any tank is to avoid the tank and concentrate on the enemy damage dealers. A tank that doesn't have an ADC or other burst damage caster following them up is just an annoying speed bump that can be taken care of at leisure.

I can completely understand the second, but I don't understand the nerf to her ult. The HP increase of cinderhulk effects only one of her spells, so why are they gutting (90% to 30% is pretty significant) her main teamfighting utility?

Cinderhulk increased her damage. So just nerf the damage. O_O

That's like saying "How would you rate this hammer compared to this pickaxe?".

Both are useful in different situations and have kits that fill different roles.

Completely depends on context, team comp, and what your game strategy is.

Sejuani and Skarner are totally different. Skarner is more of a heavy fighter like Renekton or Shyvana, rather than a tank. He builds damage, while Sejuani usually is full tank. No one is scared of full tank Skarner while people are terrified of Triforce skarner.